[RP TownTalk] Trader Joes, Beer/wine in grocery stores
Gerard Kiernan
gerardkiernan at earthlink.net
Sun Oct 16 03:52:22 UTC 2005
Dear fellow residents,
I find this discussion fascinating, but would like someone to explain to me
why Trader Joes or Whole Foods needs a special dispensation from the state
legislature.
For those of you who read The Washington Post, look at the Giant Food ad
insert in Sunday's paper. You will see that Giant sells wine and beer in
the GlenRidge store at the intersection of 410 and 450. I have spoken to
folks who work at Giant Food and they have told me that existing law allows
a supermarket chain in Prince George's County to sell beer and wine in a
limited number of their stores in the County.
Remember that in Montgomery County, supermarkets sell beer and wine because
Montgomery County has a monopoly on selling hard liquor. I don't know what
DC allows.
One must question a food store chains' business model if they need beer and
wine to succeed. Also, it says that their marketing studies of this area
have told them that sufficient customer base doesn't exist and can't really
support their business without alcohol available
Interestingly, on Trader Joes web site, on the page for store locations; the
list for Maryland has a note that beer and wine are not available in any of
their Maryland locations (Annapolis, Bethesda, Gaithersburg, Pikesville,
Rockville, Silver Spring).
I am not a wine connoisseur by any means, but when I want a bottle of wine,
I have found some interesting choices available at Dumms Corner market. I
know that the Spiropoulos sons have given serious thought to expanding their
selection of beer and wines.
Whole Foods list of Maryland and DC locations is also instructive:
Annapolis, Baltimore(2), Bethesda, Gaithersburg, Rockville, Silver Spring,
Washington ( 3, all in NW).
Gerry Kiernan
> From: David Hiles <hilesd at mindspring.com>
> Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 17:18:54 -0400
> To: TownTalk at riverdale-park.org
> Subject: [RP TownTalk] Trader Joes, Beer/wine in grocery stores
>
> I think gov't exists to help make the community better. We have a
> town government, with an economic development committee and
> knowledgeable, experienced staff. It might be effective to use these
> structures and resources to focus and strengthen grass-roots efforts.
> Some examples:
> it might help Justin Ross's bill if he can show that town gov'ts
> support it.
> Town gov't might be able to advise on Trader Joe's lobbying, and
> coordinate activities with neighboring communities.
> Town gov't might serve as a focal point for petition drives. Stuff
> like that.
>
> Or these things could be done outside gov't.
>
> On Oct 15, 2005, at 12:00 PM, TownTalk-request at riverdale-park.org wrote:
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>> 1. FREE desk (ng_md at verizon.net)
>> 2. Trader Joes, Beer/wine in grocery stores (David Hiles)
>> 3. Stream cleanup tomorrow (Roland Walker)
>> 4. Re: Stream cleanup tomorrow (Andrew Farrington)
>> 5. Re: Trader Joes, Beer/wine in grocery stores (Regina Kreger)
>> 6. Re: Trader Joes, Beer/wine in grocery stores (Roland Walker)
>> 7. Stream cleanup followup (Roland Walker)
>>
>> From: <ng_md at verizon.net>
>> Date: October 14, 2005 4:04:18 PM EDT
>> To: TownTalk at riverdale-park.org
>> Subject: [RP TownTalk] FREE desk
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>> I have a desk that I'd like to get rid of. It's dark wood, high back
>> with cubbies, drawers on the lower right, place for a computer on the
>> lower left. Nice looking, great condition, just don't need it
>> anymore, need to make room for other stuff.
>>
>> First come, first served.
>>
>> I don't have the means to bring it to you, so you would have to come
>> get it, although I'm happy to help you carry it out to your car or
>> truck.
>>
>> I expect to be home most of the day on Saturday, probably most of the
>> day on Sunday.
>>
>> Nancy,
>> 46th and Riverdale
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: David Hiles <hilesd at mac.com>
>> Date: October 14, 2005 9:05:56 PM EDT
>> To: TownTalk at riverdale-park.org
>> Subject: [RP TownTalk] Trader Joes, Beer/wine in grocery stores
>>
>>
>> Some people want retailers like Whole Foods and Trader Joe's to set up
>> in our area. People like me...
>>
>> One of the pieces of the Whole Foods/Trader Joe's business plan is to
>> be able to sell neato assortments of wines as part of their selection.
>> Justin Ross' idea below is right on target. If we want to have
>> possibilities like that in the Riverdale Park area, we should get our
>> MUTC/retail strips included in his bill. I 'd like the Rt 1 corridor
>> from IKEA down to the DC line should be included in this plan. His
>> point re grass roots lobbying is pertinent to retailers like Trader
>> Joe's because they are aware that marketing models don't tell them
>> everything.
>>
>> The item below is clipped from a HOPE thread about PG County angst and
>> the new Aldi on Hamilton St. We CAN make a better PG County!
>>
>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 16:39:50 -0400
>>> From: "Delegate Justin Ross" <justin_ross at house.state.md.us>
>>> Subject: Trader Joes in Hyattsville
>>>
>>> Dear Hyattsville Neighbors,
>>> I, like most of you, believe that the Hyattsville area can support a
>>> Trader
>>> Joes or similar quality establishment. One thing that would greatly
>>> help the
>>> cause of getting Trader Joes to Hyattsville, according to Trader
>>> Joes, is
>>> giving them the ability to sell wine. To that end, I have submitted
>>> legislation for the upcoming legislative session to create a liquor
>>> license
>>> exclusively for off-sale and within the geographic area of the Arts
>>> District. I have spoken with Senator Pinsky who is also supportive of
>>> this
>>> idea. We will definitely need your support in getting this bill
>>> passed.
>>> Additionally, the point about Trader Joes being susceptible to the
>>> grass
>>> roots lobbying effort is a great one. Is there a point person in
>>> Hyattsville
>>> that we (electeds) can work with on the letter writing campaign? I
>>> think we
>>> should start very, very soon.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Delegate Justin Ross
>>>
>>> Keep up the good work Hyattsville!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> WE are who we have been waiting for.
>> http://riverdalepark.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Roland Walker <walker at pobox.com>
>> Date: October 14, 2005 9:34:20 PM EDT
>> To: TownTalk at riverdale-park.org
>> Subject: [RP TownTalk] Stream cleanup tomorrow
>>
>>
>> Stream cleanup!
>>
>> Help clean up the Northeast Branch of the Anacostia River
>>
>> Saturday, October 15, 2005
>> 9am - 12pm
>>
>> Meet at the bridge on Riverdale Road
>>
>> Gloves and bags will be provided
>>
>> Organized by the Anacostia Watershed Society
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Andrew Farrington <somefool at dvnt.com>
>> Date: October 14, 2005 9:34:49 PM EDT
>> To: Roland Walker <walker at pobox.com>
>> Cc: TownTalk at riverdale-park.org
>> Subject: Re: [RP TownTalk] Stream cleanup tomorrow
>>
>>
>> Yeeehaa! See you there! Thanks a million for the heads-up.
>> - Andrew
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 14 Oct 2005, Roland Walker wrote:
>>
>>> Stream cleanup!
>>>
>>> Help clean up the Northeast Branch of the Anacostia River
>>>
>>> Saturday, October 15, 2005
>>> 9am - 12pm
>>>
>>> Meet at the bridge on Riverdale Road
>>>
>>> Gloves and bags will be provided
>>>
>>> Organized by the Anacostia Watershed Society
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: "Regina Kreger" <regina at kreger.net>
>> Date: October 15, 2005 9:04:54 AM EDT
>> To: "David Hiles" <hilesd at mac.com>, TownTalk at riverdale-park.org
>> Cc: Winanne Kreger <winanne at kreger.net>
>> Subject: Re: [RP TownTalk] Trader Joes, Beer/wine in grocery stores
>>
>>
>> David,
>>
>> I would be delighted to have a Trader Joes and/or Whole Foods in town,
>> even more so if they could sell wine. So what can we do? Who can we
>> phone or write?
>>
>> Sorry to be so ignorant, but I don't even know who represents us at
>> the state level -- is it Ross? Who else do we need to lobby to get
>> Riverdale Park included in his bill?
>>
>> Thanks for the info.
>>
>> Regina Kreger
>> 5903 Cleveland
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Hiles" <hilesd at mac.com>
>> To: TownTalk at riverdale-park.org
>> Subject: [RP TownTalk] Trader Joes, Beer/wine in grocery stores
>> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:05:56 -0400
>>
>>>
>>> Some people want retailers like Whole Foods and Trader Joe's to set up
>>> in our area. People like me...
>>>
>>> One of the pieces of the Whole Foods/Trader Joe's business plan is to
>>> be able to sell neato assortments of wines as part of their selection.
>>> Justin Ross' idea below is right on target. If we want to have
>>> possibilities like that in the Riverdale Park area, we should get our
>>> MUTC/retail strips included in his bill. I 'd like the Rt 1 corridor
>>> from IKEA down to the DC line should be included in this plan. His
>>> point re grass roots lobbying is pertinent to retailers like Trader
>>> Joe's because they are aware that marketing models don't tell them
>>> everything.
>>>
>>> The item below is clipped from a HOPE thread about PG County angst and
>>> the new Aldi on Hamilton St. We CAN make a better PG County!
>>>
>>>> Message: 6
>>>> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 16:39:50 -0400
>>>> From: "Delegate Justin Ross" <justin_ross at house.state.md.us>
>>>> Subject: Trader Joes in Hyattsville
>>>>
>>>> Dear Hyattsville Neighbors,
>>>> I, like most of you, believe that the Hyattsville area can support a
>>>> Trader
>>>> Joes or similar quality establishment. One thing that would greatly
>>>> help the
>>>> cause of getting Trader Joes to Hyattsville, according to Trader
>>>> Joes, is
>>>> giving them the ability to sell wine. To that end, I have submitted
>>>> legislation for the upcoming legislative session to create a liquor
>>>> license
>>>> exclusively for off-sale and within the geographic area of the Arts
>>>> District. I have spoken with Senator Pinsky who is also supportive
>>>> of this
>>>> idea. We will definitely need your support in getting this bill
>>>> passed.
>>>> Additionally, the point about Trader Joes being susceptible to the
>>>> grass
>>>> roots lobbying effort is a great one. Is there a point person in
>>>> Hyattsville
>>>> that we (electeds) can work with on the letter writing campaign? I
>>>> think we
>>>> should start very, very soon.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Delegate Justin Ross
>>>>
>>>> Keep up the good work Hyattsville!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> WE are who we have been waiting for.
>>> http://riverdalepark.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Roland Walker <walker at pobox.com>
>> Date: October 15, 2005 11:34:45 AM EDT
>> To: Regina Kreger <regina at kreger.net>
>> Cc: TownTalk at riverdale-park.org, Winanne Kreger <winanne at kreger.net>
>> Subject: Re: [RP TownTalk] Trader Joes, Beer/wine in grocery stores
>>
>>
>> Yes Delegate Ross represents us, and anyone can lobby him. Brad, his
>> chief of staff, is _very_ responsive and good at following up on the
>> long term as well.
>>
>> The best thing would be to go back in time and get ourselves included
>> in the Gateway Arts District. It is bewildering to me that the town
>> did not pursue that.
>>
>> R
>>
>> On 10/15/05, Regina Kreger <regina at kreger.net> wrote:
>>> David,
>>>
>>> I would be delighted to have a Trader Joes and/or Whole Foods in
>>> town, even more so if they could sell wine. So what can we do? Who
>>> can we phone or write?
>>>
>>> Sorry to be so ignorant, but I don't even know who represents us at
>>> the state level -- is it Ross? Who else do we need to lobby to get
>>> Riverdale Park included in his bill?
>>>
>>> Thanks for the info.
>>>
>>> Regina Kreger
>>> 5903 Cleveland
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "David Hiles" <hilesd at mac.com>
>>> To: TownTalk at riverdale-park.org
>>> Subject: [RP TownTalk] Trader Joes, Beer/wine in grocery stores
>>> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:05:56 -0400
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Some people want retailers like Whole Foods and Trader Joe's to set
>>>> up
>>>> in our area. People like me...
>>>>
>>>> One of the pieces of the Whole Foods/Trader Joe's business plan is to
>>>> be able to sell neato assortments of wines as part of their
>>>> selection.
>>>> Justin Ross' idea below is right on target. If we want to have
>>>> possibilities like that in the Riverdale Park area, we should get our
>>>> MUTC/retail strips included in his bill. I 'd like the Rt 1 corridor
>>>> from IKEA down to the DC line should be included in this plan. His
>>>> point re grass roots lobbying is pertinent to retailers like Trader
>>>> Joe's because they are aware that marketing models don't tell them
>>>> everything.
>>>>
>>>> The item below is clipped from a HOPE thread about PG County angst
>>>> and
>>>> the new Aldi on Hamilton St. We CAN make a better PG County!
>>>>
>>>>> Message: 6
>>>>> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 16:39:50 -0400
>>>>> From: "Delegate Justin Ross" <justin_ross at house.state.md.us>
>>>>> Subject: Trader Joes in Hyattsville
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Hyattsville Neighbors,
>>>>> I, like most of you, believe that the Hyattsville area can support
>>>>> a Trader
>>>>> Joes or similar quality establishment. One thing that would greatly
>>>>> help the
>>>>> cause of getting Trader Joes to Hyattsville, according to Trader
>>>>> Joes, is
>>>>> giving them the ability to sell wine. To that end, I have submitted
>>>>> legislation for the upcoming legislative session to create a liquor
>>>>> license
>>>>> exclusively for off-sale and within the geographic area of the Arts
>>>>> District. I have spoken with Senator Pinsky who is also supportive
>>>>> of this
>>>>> idea. We will definitely need your support in getting this bill
>>>>> passed.
>>>>> Additionally, the point about Trader Joes being susceptible to the
>>>>> grass
>>>>> roots lobbying effort is a great one. Is there a point person in
>>>>> Hyattsville
>>>>> that we (electeds) can work with on the letter writing campaign? I
>>>>> think we
>>>>> should start very, very soon.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> Delegate Justin Ross
>>>>>
>>>>> Keep up the good work Hyattsville!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> WE are who we have been waiting for.
>>>> http://riverdalepark.blogspot.com/
>>>>
>>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Roland Walker <walker at pobox.com>
>> Date: October 15, 2005 11:49:13 AM EDT
>> To: TownTalk at riverdale-park.org
>> Subject: [RP TownTalk] Stream cleanup followup
>>
>>
>> Dear Town,
>>
>> The stream cleanup was a success. 22 bags of trash were collected in
>> the area south of East-West Highway. Oh, and a bicycle. A $5 bill
>> was found, and was donated to the Watershed Society.
>>
>> There's a group still out planting crocuses and daffodils as I write
>> this.
>>
>> Many thanks to the Anacostia Watershed Society for their efforts on
>> behalf of Riverdale Park.
>>
>> Rob, if you want to put something in the Crier, Pat Gladding will have
>> more detailed stats later such as the weight of the garbage and number
>> of volunteers.
>>
>> R
>>
>> PS Heineken seems to be the most popular beer among litterers. Who
>> knew?
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> http://riverdalepark.blogspot.com/
>
>
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