[RP TownTalk] (no subject)

Tue Oct 18 01:43:45 UTC 2005

Thanks David for sparking such an interesting discussion.  Karen's 
comments remind me of one of my favorite stories--how Logan Circle 
attracted Whole Foods to P St.  Businesses have their market studies, 
but that doesn't mean a group of individuals cannot introduce a 
business to a location they overlooked.  That is exactly what happened 
to encourage Whole Foods to invest in P St.  A group of neighbors 
conducted a market study and convinced Whole Foods to locate in 
downtown DC.  Since then the neighborhood has undergone rapid 
transformation--new restaurants and housing.  The reality is most 
businesses have overlooked this portion of PG County.  We know the 
income is here and we know there is money to be made.  Let's work with 
Hyattsville, College Park and University Park to pull together our 
resources to attract businesses to the area.  College Park worked for 
several years to attract Mom's to the area.  Mom's didn't just happen 
to locate in College Park.  Active residents and elected officials made 
it happen.  And, now it is their highest grossing store.  Go figure!

Dannielle Glaros
4800 Sheridan St

On Oct 17, 2005, at 9:08 PM, Karen Krueger wrote:

> I was told by an employee of a Montgomery County liquor store in
> Bethesda that grocery stores in the county could only sell beer and
> wine in one location of Montgomery county, so I assume "region" is
> defined as county, at least in Montgomery. It seems to make sense -- I
> can't think of any stores that sell beer or wine in more than one
> location there.
>
> As far as choosing a location, it's all about demographics. Whole
> Foods and Trader Joe's know exactly who their customers are. They know
> how far they will drive from their homes to shop. They know the other
> stores their customers tend to shop at. That's why you see the same
> stores grouped together in strip mall after strip mall. (I used to
> work for Pier 1's Real Estate division in a former life doing
> demographic profiles). It's all about the numbers. If they find enough
> people that fit their demographic group within a reasonable radius,
> they know from experience that the store will make money.
>
> Karen
>
>
> On 10/17/05, Andrew Farrington <somefool at dvnt.com> wrote:
>> My understanding is gleaned from hearsay, but I'd been of the 
>> impression
>> that the state has a policy allowing beer and wine, but not spirits, 
>> to be
>> sold in one branch of a given chain per region?  Not that I have any 
>> such
>> helpful information as what might constitute a 'region' of the state, 
>> or
>> even whether this notion has any factual basis at all.  Perhaps 
>> someone
>> has more concrete data, or knows where to find something of the sort -
>> something both edifying but easy to cut and paste to the list, maybe?
>>
>> I for one am not inclined to agitate (much) for the cause, but would 
>> very
>> much welcome and support a brick-and-mortar gourmet organic market of 
>> our
>> very own.  My favorite is Whole Foods personally, but whatever!  More
>> power to you guys!  A Trader Joe's would be great too.
>>
>> I agree with Jared about classist posturing.  What's "high income,"
>> anyway?  Where's the line?  If we're going to form camps we should 
>> have
>> some clear info to work with, neighbors!  ;)
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 17 Oct 2005, Laureys, Ken R. wrote:
>>
>>> David -- Actually, beer & wine is sold in the Glenridge Giant (at
>>> intersection of 410 & 450).  However, I believe they were 
>>> grandfathered
>>> in when the county modified it liquor laws (before I arrived here in
>>> 1987).  Each county controls those decisions, and Montgomery County 
>>> for
>>> example, opted to use special "County Liquor Stores" for hard 
>>> liquors.
>>>
>>> You can contact the 'Liquor Board, which is a state-county appointed
>>> board(see following):
>>>
>>> Board of License Commissioners (Alcohol)
>>> 5012 Rhode Island Ave
>>> Hyattsville, MD  20781
>>>
>>> Ken Laureys
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: TownTalk-bounces at riverdale-park.org
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>>> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 12:13 PM
>>> To: TownTalk at riverdale-park.org
>>> Subject: [RP TownTalk] (no subject)
>>>
>>>
>>> dear fellow citizens,
>>>
>>> for me, this is a quality of life issue.  i'd like to see our town
>>> gov't help improve this aspect of life in our area.  telling me to go
>>> elsewhere and stop whining misses the point. or maybe sends me and
>>> other high income citizens another message...
>>>
>>> in many places in the USA, you can routinely buy beer and wine at the
>>> grocery. in my experience this includes, charlottesville, charleston,
>>> alexandria, san diego, eugene, austin, etc.  all cool places in my
>>> view.
>>>
>>> buying a box of wine at the grocery store is more convenient than
>>> having to go to a liquor store. convenience is good.  i'm pretty busy
>>> and i've always found it irritating to have to go out of my way to 
>>> buy
>>> my malt liquor.  irritation and malt liquor, not a good 
>>> combination...
>>> anyway, why it is better for our quality of life to have lots of 
>>> liquor
>>> stores?  do we have this strange arrangement because of effective
>>> special interest lobbying? "but dumms's corner and franklin's might
>>> lose some beer and wine sales."  so what?  they shouldn't get special
>>> protection in the law.  we would have more bread stores if there was 
>>> a
>>> law against sellling bread at the grocery. in jurisdictions where 
>>> beer
>>> and wine is universally available at grocery stores, you have fewer
>>> liquor stores.
>>>
>>> i would like someone to explain to me why profit-seeking groceries in
>>> our area don't routinely sell this staple product.  my guess is 1)
>>> delegate justin ross is not a dummy, and 2) that "existing law" makes
>>> it difficult for groceries in our fair county to sell beer/wine, 
>>> maybe
>>> particularly if there is a liquor store already near by.  there may 
>>> be
>>> something similar at work in montgomery county.    i don't care about
>>> the glenridge giant or the coop grocery in greenbelt.  i shop at the
>>> giants in riverdale plaza, in beltway plaza, on queen's chapel road,
>>> and across from pg plaza. none of these sell beer or wine. why is 
>>> this
>>> a good situation and good public policy?  bad, outmoded laws can be
>>> fixed.
>>>
>>> i know people who have left our area because of poor shopping 
>>> options.
>>> the trader joe's in the va suburbs do sell wine.  the maryland joe's
>>> don't.
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