[RP TownTalk] multiple families/apartments
Don Lynch
dlynch at garretroomstudios.com
Fri Apr 23 03:58:28 UTC 2010
Mr. Yorke,
I don't live in Gaithersburg, like you, so you are probably unaware that
there over 2000 homeless people living in the Hyattsville/ Riverdale
area. I don't believe that a few more living outside an illegal single
family home, operating as an apartment building, will impact our community.
Don
Jeffrey Yorke wrote:
> Bruce's theory is only one scenario in the Big City of immigration in
> America. And in landlording. Most landlords are not out to beat the
> tax system illegally. At least not the ones in my sphere. And we are
> also not out to take advantage of tenants, citizens or undocumented
> immigrants.
>
> Long before America's recent invasions/wars broke the bank, families
> and friends have been doubling up in houses. And in apartments. Part
> of it has been economic beyond the economy, part of it is cultural. My
> own Ukrainian relatives packed into a small house made for a fifth of
> the number of those who lived there. That was during Calvin Coolidge's
> administration. And it's happened to every immigrant population since,
> not to mentioned US born Americans. It's just more obvious to
> communities when the gang is "outsiders." And we immediately think
> they don't belong and that they are here illegally. A whole lot of
> assuming is going on here.
>
> One more thing: Americans are generally a people overhoused. Too darn
> much space for each person in a single house. Bathrooms that go on for
> acres, kitchens large enough for Emeril Lagasse to do his show. Should
> we be astounded when someone from a different culture takes new
> approach to otherwise wasted space?
>
> As far as fear of property values going down because "too many" people
> live at one address, consider if these same people were forced to live
> outside the dwelling, on the street. Property values would be really
> down then. And that would be the least of our problems.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:00 AM, <bruce.wernek at mindspring.com
> <mailto:bruce.wernek at mindspring.com>> wrote:
>
> Oh please, enough with the motherhood, this has been going on for
> years. There are two houses around a block from my house that
> have/had multiple families living in them long before the economic
> downturn. One of them, next to Ernie's Lock, was shut down about
> 18 months ago for this reason. The other still has around four
> families living in it.
>
>
>
> It's unfortunate, but many of these places are halfway houses for
> illegal immigrants/families. This is the way it works. A citizen
> or a legal immigrant buys a house. To pay for the house he/she
> rents rooms to illegal immigrants/families. Since the illegal
> immigrants/family have no identification, credit history, social
> security number(s), etc, it's difficult if not impossible for them
> to rent an apartment or find a regular job. This means that they
> must work as day laborers and therefore pay their rent in cash.
> It's perfect for the landlord because; there is no record of rent
> payments; there is no enforcement of rental laws because as far as
> the county is concerned the house is not a rental property; the
> landlord doesn't have to spend any money on maintainenance,
> insurance, etc. because again the house is "not a rental
> property"; enforcement of rental laws is lax if not non-existent;
> and the landlord doesn't claim the rent as income so he/she
> doesn't pay any taxes on it while still geting all of the related
> benefits that we taxpayers pay for. Not only that, if the illegal
> immigrant/family is having difficulty paying their rent, the
> landlord can threaten to turn them over to the INS or just throw
> them out with absolutely no consequences. The tenants have no
> recourse since they are not legal residents.
>
>
>
> What a country!
>
> Bruce
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "McDougall, Sherene (Law)"
> Sent: Apr 20, 2010 6:01 PM
> To: OurDollMom at aol.com <mailto:OurDollMom at aol.com>,
> wheadle at yahoo.com <mailto:wheadle at yahoo.com>,
> bruce.wernek at mindspring.com
> <mailto:bruce.wernek at mindspring.com>, nbmooney1 at yahoo.com
> <mailto:nbmooney1 at yahoo.com>, towntalk at riverdale-park.org
> <mailto:towntalk at riverdale-park.org>
> Subject: RE: [RP TownTalk] multiple families/apartments
>
> Please remember that in these times when a lot of people are
> losing their homes, families are bundling up and living with
> relatives so as not to end up on the streets. I do agree that
> there are instances where unrelated people dwell in a home,
> but we are all trying to survive.
>
>
>
> Sherene
>
>
>
> *From:* towntalk-bounces at riverdale-park.org
> <mailto:towntalk-bounces at riverdale-park.org>
> [mailto:towntalk-bounces at riverdale-park.org
> <mailto:towntalk-bounces at riverdale-park.org>] *On Behalf Of
> *OurDollMom at aol.com <mailto:OurDollMom at aol.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 20, 2010 5:57 PM
> *To:* wheadle at yahoo.com <mailto:wheadle at yahoo.com>;
> bruce.wernek at mindspring.com
> <mailto:bruce.wernek at mindspring.com>; nbmooney1 at yahoo.com
> <mailto:nbmooney1 at yahoo.com>; towntalk at riverdale-park.org
> <mailto:towntalk at riverdale-park.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [RP TownTalk] multiple families/apartments
>
>
>
> Some time ago I went to a meeting about
>
> this topic. The answer was the courts are
>
> so overloaded with serious cases that the
>
> judges will not hear or prosecute people
>
> who have multiple family members/friends
>
> living with them. Also was mentioned that
>
> these people are trying to survive, make a
>
> living, send money back home, etc. They
>
> said the rules cannot be enforced.
>
>
>
> In a message dated 4/20/2010 12:30:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight
> Time, wheadle at yahoo.com <mailto:wheadle at yahoo.com> writes:
>
>
>
> On the same subject, what is the maximum number of people
> allowed in, for instance, a 1 bedroom apartment? Just
> curious...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* "bruce.wernek at mindspring.com
> <mailto:bruce.wernek at mindspring.com>"
> <bruce.wernek at mindspring.com
> <mailto:bruce.wernek at mindspring.com>>
> *To:* Nancy Mooney <nbmooney1 at yahoo.com
> <mailto:nbmooney1 at yahoo.com>>; towntalk at riverdale-park.org
> <mailto:towntalk at riverdale-park.org>
> *Sent:* Tue, April 20, 2010 10:42:23 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [RP TownTalk] multiple families/single
> family homes
>
> I've noticed this too Nancy. This is going on all over town.
>
>
>
> Based on my understanding, the maximum number of unrelated
> individuals allowable by law is five per household. I had
> to abide by this law when I had rental property in Hyattsvile.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nancy Mooney
> Sent: Apr 20, 2010 10:33 AM
> To: towntalk at riverdale-park.org
> <mailto:towntalk at riverdale-park.org>
> Subject: [RP TownTalk] multiple families/single family
> homes
>
> I have begun to wonder what the impact is on our town
> of these many single family homes that are crammed
> with families.
>
> I know of one instance where a family of 4 shares a
> bedroom in the back of a house. Another large family
> has the front of the house, and at least one other
> person is living in the basement.
>
> I think there are at least three families - by the
> number of 'moms' and kids I see. (I'm assuming they
> are moms) in the house next to me - which has 4
> bedrooms at the most.
>
> I know this group can be very caustic - please no
> insults about me being racist, or bigoted, or,
> whatever. These people I'm speaking of are my
> friends. But it just seems unhealthy and in the long
> run - a burden on the town services.
>
> What I would like to know is what are the costs to the
> town, and what can we do to reduce this impact?
>
> Nancy
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Jeffrey Yorke
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