[RP TownTalk] multiple families/apartments

Don Lynch dlynch at garretroomstudios.com
Fri Apr 23 03:58:28 UTC 2010


Mr. Yorke,

I don't live in Gaithersburg, like you, so you are probably unaware that 
there over 2000 homeless people living in the Hyattsville/ Riverdale 
area. I don't believe that a few more living outside an illegal single 
family home, operating as an apartment building, will impact our community.

Don

Jeffrey Yorke wrote:
> Bruce's theory is only one scenario in the Big City of immigration in 
> America. And in landlording. Most landlords are not out to beat the 
> tax system illegally. At least not the ones in my sphere. And we are 
> also not out to take advantage of tenants, citizens or undocumented 
> immigrants. 
>
> Long before America's recent invasions/wars broke the bank, families 
> and friends have been doubling up in houses. And in apartments. Part 
> of it has been economic beyond the economy, part of it is cultural. My 
> own Ukrainian relatives packed into a small house made for a fifth of 
> the number of those who lived there. That was during Calvin Coolidge's 
> administration. And it's happened to every immigrant population since, 
> not to mentioned US born Americans. It's just more obvious to 
> communities when the gang is "outsiders." And we immediately think 
> they don't belong and that they are here illegally. A whole lot of 
> assuming is going on here. 
>
> One more thing: Americans are generally a people overhoused. Too darn 
> much space for each person in a single house. Bathrooms that go on for 
> acres, kitchens large enough for Emeril Lagasse to do his show. Should 
> we be astounded when someone from a different culture takes new 
> approach to otherwise wasted space? 
>
> As far as fear of property values going down because "too many" people 
> live at one address, consider if these same people were forced to live 
> outside the dwelling, on the street. Property values would be really 
> down then. And that would be the least of our problems. 
>  
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:00 AM, <bruce.wernek at mindspring.com 
> <mailto:bruce.wernek at mindspring.com>> wrote:
>
>     Oh please, enough with the motherhood, this has been going on for
>     years.  There are two houses around a block from my house that
>     have/had multiple families living in them long before the economic
>     downturn.  One of them, next to Ernie's Lock, was shut down about
>     18 months ago for this reason.  The other still has around four
>     families living in it.
>
>      
>
>     It's unfortunate, but many of these places are halfway houses for
>     illegal immigrants/families.  This is the way it works.  A citizen
>     or a legal immigrant buys a house.  To pay for the house he/she
>     rents rooms to illegal immigrants/families.  Since the illegal
>     immigrants/family have no identification, credit history, social
>     security number(s), etc, it's difficult if not impossible for them
>     to rent an apartment or find a regular job.  This means that they
>     must work as day laborers and therefore pay their rent in cash. 
>     It's perfect for the landlord because; there is no record of rent
>     payments; there is no enforcement of rental laws because as far as
>     the county is concerned the house is not a rental property; the
>     landlord doesn't have to spend any money on maintainenance,
>     insurance, etc. because again the house is "not a rental
>     property"; enforcement of rental laws is lax if not non-existent;
>     and the landlord doesn't claim the rent as income so he/she
>     doesn't pay any taxes on it while still geting all of the related
>     benefits that we taxpayers pay for.  Not only that, if the illegal
>     immigrant/family is having difficulty paying their rent, the
>     landlord can threaten to turn them over to the INS or just throw
>     them out with absolutely no consequences.  The tenants have no
>     recourse since they are not legal residents.
>
>      
>
>     What a country! 
>
>     Bruce
>
>         -----Original Message-----
>         From: "McDougall, Sherene (Law)"
>         Sent: Apr 20, 2010 6:01 PM
>         To: OurDollMom at aol.com <mailto:OurDollMom at aol.com>,
>         wheadle at yahoo.com <mailto:wheadle at yahoo.com>,
>         bruce.wernek at mindspring.com
>         <mailto:bruce.wernek at mindspring.com>, nbmooney1 at yahoo.com
>         <mailto:nbmooney1 at yahoo.com>, towntalk at riverdale-park.org
>         <mailto:towntalk at riverdale-park.org>
>         Subject: RE: [RP TownTalk] multiple families/apartments
>
>         Please remember that in these times when a lot of people are
>         losing their homes, families are bundling up and living with
>         relatives so as not to end up on the streets.  I do agree that
>         there are instances where unrelated people dwell in a home,
>         but we are all trying to survive.
>
>          
>
>         Sherene
>
>          
>
>         *From:* towntalk-bounces at riverdale-park.org
>         <mailto:towntalk-bounces at riverdale-park.org>
>         [mailto:towntalk-bounces at riverdale-park.org
>         <mailto:towntalk-bounces at riverdale-park.org>] *On Behalf Of
>         *OurDollMom at aol.com <mailto:OurDollMom at aol.com>
>         *Sent:* Tuesday, April 20, 2010 5:57 PM
>         *To:* wheadle at yahoo.com <mailto:wheadle at yahoo.com>;
>         bruce.wernek at mindspring.com
>         <mailto:bruce.wernek at mindspring.com>; nbmooney1 at yahoo.com
>         <mailto:nbmooney1 at yahoo.com>; towntalk at riverdale-park.org
>         <mailto:towntalk at riverdale-park.org>
>         *Subject:* Re: [RP TownTalk] multiple families/apartments
>
>          
>
>         Some time ago I went to a meeting about
>
>         this topic.  The answer was the courts are
>
>         so overloaded with serious cases that the
>
>         judges will not hear or prosecute people
>
>         who have multiple family members/friends
>
>         living with them.  Also was mentioned that
>
>         these people are trying to survive, make a
>
>         living, send money back home, etc. They
>
>         said the rules cannot be enforced.
>
>          
>
>         In a message dated 4/20/2010 12:30:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight
>         Time, wheadle at yahoo.com <mailto:wheadle at yahoo.com> writes:
>
>              
>
>             On the same subject, what is the maximum number of people
>             allowed in, for instance, a 1 bedroom apartment?  Just
>             curious...
>
>              
>
>              
>
>
>              
>
>             ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>             *From:* "bruce.wernek at mindspring.com
>             <mailto:bruce.wernek at mindspring.com>"
>             <bruce.wernek at mindspring.com
>             <mailto:bruce.wernek at mindspring.com>>
>             *To:* Nancy Mooney <nbmooney1 at yahoo.com
>             <mailto:nbmooney1 at yahoo.com>>; towntalk at riverdale-park.org
>             <mailto:towntalk at riverdale-park.org>
>             *Sent:* Tue, April 20, 2010 10:42:23 AM
>             *Subject:* Re: [RP TownTalk] multiple families/single
>             family homes
>
>             I've noticed this too Nancy.  This is going on all over town.
>
>              
>
>             Based on my understanding, the maximum number of unrelated
>             individuals allowable by law is five per household.  I had
>             to abide by this law when I had rental property in Hyattsvile.
>
>              
>
>              
>
>                 -----Original Message-----
>                 From: Nancy Mooney
>                 Sent: Apr 20, 2010 10:33 AM
>                 To: towntalk at riverdale-park.org
>                 <mailto:towntalk at riverdale-park.org>
>                 Subject: [RP TownTalk] multiple families/single family
>                 homes
>
>                 I have begun to wonder what the impact is on our town
>                 of these many single family homes that are crammed
>                 with families.
>
>                 I know of one instance where a family of 4 shares a
>                 bedroom in the back of a house.  Another large family
>                 has the front of the house, and at least one other
>                 person is living in the basement.
>
>                 I think there are at least three families - by the
>                 number of 'moms' and kids I see.  (I'm assuming they
>                 are moms) in the house next to me - which has 4
>                 bedrooms at the most.
>
>                 I know this group can be very caustic - please no
>                 insults about me being racist, or bigoted, or,
>                 whatever.  These people I'm speaking of are my
>                 friends.  But it just seems unhealthy and in the long
>                 run - a burden on the town services.
>
>                 What I would like to know is what are the costs to the
>                 town, and what can we do to reduce this impact?
>
>                 Nancy
>
>                  
>
>
>
>
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> -- 
> Jeffrey Yorke
> Yorke Property Management, Inc.
> Yorke Partners
> Jeffrey at YorkeRents.com
> 301-502-1243
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