[RP TownTalk] Cat Calls
Andrew Ninnemann
andrew.ninnemann at gmail.com
Sun Jun 14 14:12:42 UTC 2015
Mary, I agree with you so very much. Thanks for articulating something I thought but was having difficulty putting into words.
Bruce, I assume your, "I can't take it anymore" statement was in reference to the three or four emails that have been sent out discussing the very real issues that women face both in our larger society as well as in our very own Riverdale Park. Given the statistics (on assault towards women, catcalling (and how it may make someone feel like prey in a place they would like to feel safe) et cetera), I see much irony in your comment. Millions of women also "can't take it anymore."
Andrew Ninnemann
> On Jun 14, 2015, at 8:43 AM, Mary Wheatley <mtwheat at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Re: Mr Wernek's comments on catcalling-
>
> I understand your perspective on the possible challenges of enforcing unwanted, sexual verbal advances. However, your referring to it as a "nuisance" for women, and stating you'd like to receive some yourself makes me wonder if you're aware that 1 in 4 women will be sexually assaulted in their life time. For many women, unwanted sexual advances are not just words, but represent real potential threats to their safety (and can we imagine why??).
>
> We should be concerned with the safety of all our citizens. Realistic implementation is certainly worth talking about, but it should be done in a context of respect that doesn't minimize the very real experience of women, either who have been assaulted or who fear becoming a statistic.
>
> Realistically, how about if there's a place where women are being targeted, the police focus on that site? I saw the construction site mentioned- is this the Whole Foods area?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Mary
>
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>> 1. Sexual Assault on minor at Riverdale Plaza/CVS (Vernon Archer)
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>> 3. Prince George's Gazette R.I.P. (Chris Currie)
>> 4. Re: Prince George's Gazette R.I.P. (Sarah Wayland)
>> 5. Re: Cat calls (euniverz at aol.com)
>> 6. Re: Cat calls (Bruce Wernek)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 11:46:18 -0400
>> From: Vernon Archer <varcher at gmail.com>
>> To: TownTalk <TownTalk at riverdale-park.org>
>> Subject: [RP TownTalk] Sexual Assault on minor at Riverdale Plaza/CVS
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>> Friends and Neighbors,
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>> I want to share the following information from the town and county police
>> about a sexual assault on a child that occurred yesterday.:
>>
>> *The RPPD in cooperation with PGPD is investigating a sexual assault of a
>> minor that occurred on June 12, 2015 at the CVS Pharmacy located at 5707
>> Riverdale Rd. Riverdale Park, Md. *
>>
>> *For further information including the description and photograph of the
>> person of interest involved in this incident, please visit the RPPD
>> Facebook page accessible on the RPPD/Town webpage. *
>>
>>
>>
>> *Anyone having information that may assist with this investigation can
>> contact Det. Sgt. Garcia of the RPPD at 301-927-4343 <3019274343>. If Sgt.
>> Garcia is not available, callers are encourage to leave their contact
>> information and Sgt. Garcia will return the call at his earliest possible
>> opportunity. David C. Morris Chief of PoliceRiverdale Park, Md. Keeping our
>> town safe, clean and beautiful*
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>> --
>> Vernon Archer, Mayor
>> Town of Riverdale Park, Maryland
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>> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 11:53:50 -0400
>> From: Vernon Archer <varcher at gmail.com>
>> To: TownTalk <TownTalk at riverdale-park.org>
>> Subject: Re: [RP TownTalk] Sexual Assault on minor at Riverdale
>> Plaza/CVS
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>> Opps, I just checked the Facebook page and spoke to police and as of this
>> minute the post is not up, but it should be shortly.
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Vernon Archer <varcher at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Friends and Neighbors,
>> >
>> > I want to share the following information from the town and county police
>> > about a sexual assault on a child that occurred yesterday.:
>> >
>> > *The RPPD in cooperation with PGPD is investigating a sexual assault of a
>> > minor that occurred on June 12, 2015 at the CVS Pharmacy located at 5707
>> > Riverdale Rd. Riverdale Park, Md. *
>> >
>> > *For further information including the description and photograph of the
>> > person of interest involved in this incident, please visit the RPPD
>> > Facebook page accessible on the RPPD/Town webpage. *
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > *Anyone having information that may assist with this investigation can
>> > contact Det. Sgt. Garcia of the RPPD at 301-927-4343 <3019274343>. If Sgt.
>> > Garcia is not available, callers are encourage to leave their contact
>> > information and Sgt. Garcia will return the call at his earliest possible
>> > opportunity. David C. Morris Chief of PoliceRiverdale Park, Md. Keeping our
>> > town safe, clean and beautiful*
>> >
>> > --
>> > Vernon Archer, Mayor
>> > Town of Riverdale Park, Maryland
>> >
>>
>>
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>> Vernon Archer, Mayor
>> Town of Riverdale Park, Maryland
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>> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 11:55:03 -0400
>> From: Chris Currie <crcurrie at gmail.com>
>> To: towntalk <towntalk at riverdale-park.org>
>> Subject: [RP TownTalk] Prince George's Gazette R.I.P.
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>> Another local news source bites the dust ...
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>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/gazette-papers-in-montgomery-prince-georges-to-close/2015/06/12/1ffc315e-112f-11e5-9726-49d6fa26a8c6_story.html
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>> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 12:03:52 -0400
>> From: Sarah Wayland <sarah.wayland at gmail.com>
>> To: Christopher Currie <crcurrie at gmail.com>
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>> Subject: Re: [RP TownTalk] Prince George's Gazette R.I.P.
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>> At least we still have the Hyattsville Life & Times! Seriously, I'm very
>> grateful to the Hyattsville Life & Times for providing local news coverage
>> (and great reporting.)
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>> http://hyattsvillelife.com/
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>> -Sarah
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>> On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 11:55 AM, Chris Currie <crcurrie at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> > Another local news source bites the dust ...
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>> > http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/gazette-papers-in-montgomery-prince-georges-to-close/2015/06/12/1ffc315e-112f-11e5-9726-49d6fa26a8c6_story.html
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>> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 15:25:21 -0400
>> From: euniverz at aol.com
>> To: towntalk at riverdale-park.org
>> Subject: Re: [RP TownTalk] Cat calls
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>> Hear Hear, Jonathan.
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>> I'll add my two cents to yours.
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>> Adrianne Lefkowitz
>> Madison Street
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>> "Cat calls" are not protected speech.We can and do have rules on the current books that make this a municipalinfraction.Section 50-11.3 (b)(3)Yelling, shouting, etc. - Yelling,shouting, or other similar activity that annoys or disturbs the quiet, comfort,or repose of persons in any office, dwelling, or anywhere else within theTown;I have yet to see enforcement of this, yet I am sure if any female intown is asked she has been harassed when walking down the major roads in townthe answer will unanimously be 'yes.' Ask that same person what happens if theyleave their grass a little long and I bet the answer will be 'a nice bright andshiny code violation sticker.'I would love to see the town address thesafety of women with equal tenacity as we do those pesky long lawns.Just mytwo cents.JWE
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 07:26:03 -0400
>> From: "Bruce Wernek" <bruce.wernek at verizon.net>
>> To: <euniverz at aol.com>, <towntalk at riverdale-park.org>
>> Subject: Re: [RP TownTalk] Cat calls
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>> I can't take it anymore.
>>
>>
>>
>> What are you proposing, 24/7 surveillance, policeman on every corner,
>> devoting police resources to the apprehension of these "criminals", clogging
>> up the legal system with these types of infractions at the expense of more
>> serious crimes, etc? Clearly, this level of effort requires significantly
>> more policing and legal resources than currently available.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ask yourself these questions.
>>
>> 1) How can this type of infraction be policed?
>>
>> 2) What resources will be required for this activity?
>>
>> 3) Who is going to pay for it?
>>
>> 4) Is it worth the effort?
>>
>>
>>
>> I realize this is an issue and nuisance for women, but I can think of a lot
>> more important things for our police department to be worried about.
>>
>>
>>
>> Frankly, I'd be thrilled if I got a few cat calls.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>>
>>
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>> From: towntalk-bounces at riverdale-park.org
>> [mailto:towntalk-bounces at riverdale-park.org] On Behalf Of euniverz at aol.com
>> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 3:25 PM
>> To: towntalk at riverdale-park.org
>> Subject: Re: [RP TownTalk] Cat calls
>>
>>
>>
>> Hear Hear, Jonathan.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'll add my two cents to yours.
>>
>>
>>
>> Adrianne Lefkowitz
>>
>> Madison Street
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Cat calls" are not protected speech. We can and do have rules on the
>> current books that make this a municipal infraction. Section 50-11.3 (b)(3)
>> Yelling, shouting, etc. - Yelling, shouting, or other similar activity that
>> annoys or disturbs the quiet, comfort, or repose of persons in any office,
>> dwelling, or anywhere else within the Town; I have yet to see enforcement of
>> this, yet I am sure if any female in town is asked she has been harassed
>> when walking down the major roads in town the answer will unanimously be
>> 'yes.' Ask that same person what happens if they leave their grass a little
>> long and I bet the answer will be 'a nice bright and shiny code violation
>> sticker.' I would love to see the town address the safety of women with
>> equal tenacity as we do those pesky long lawns. Just my two cents. JWE
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