[RP TownTalk] Decorum

Thu Jun 16 15:31:44 UTC 2016

With all due respect, Jonathan, why is the onus on others to take your
argument to the council meetings?  You are taking the time to educate, but
it isn't realistic to expect others to take up your burden based on town
talk essays.

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Jonathan Ebbeler <
jebbeler at efusionconsulting.com> wrote:

> Liz –
>
>
>
> I patently disagree with your sentiments.  I receive numerous emails
> offline from people supporting my efforts who have no interest in jumping
> in the fray, even if to say ‘me too’ or ‘+1’.  For someone that is tuning
> my message out you seem to be pretty aggressively trying to shut me up.
> Odd.
>
>
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> Why don’t you ask the Mayor and Council to actually answer the questions
> posed – or don’t you and others feel it is appropriate that information be
> shared?  I hope you realize, in the majority of Council meetings the
> information is not on the record either and that is typically where Vernon
> discloses information or is asked.  Go look for meeting minutes for
> Worksessions.  And it appears my message, while tuned out by some, has been
> understood by others who have been at meetings and have asked questions.
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>
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> Regardless, I am not posting to win friends and that is fine you are
> tuning me out, we don’t know each other.  You may find this off-putting but
> ultimately it doesn’t matter does it?  You have not suggested anything
> other than I should voice this in meetings – something I have expressed is
> an impossibility.  This is going to continue.
>
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> It is fine that you and others will turn a blind eye to the law.  Keep in
> mind it was one of my posts that you tuned out that reminded the Mayor and
> Council they were violating the law by trying to award a grant to Ernie’s
> Lock at the Council meeting.  What was their response?  To change the law
> that night with no prior notice or deliberation.  When the law becomes a
> burden, don’t worry we will just change it so that previously illegal
> actions are now at least mostly legal and we only did so because we were
> called out on it.  If that is an example of good government in your mind so
> be it, to me it represents the quintessence of poorly behaving elected
> officials.  Keep in mind these were not people naïve to the law, they all
> voted for it originally.  What they did do that night was finally admit
> that they just killed $1mil in economic development.  Instead of asking me
> to shut up why don’t you ask the Mayor and Council about that?
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> We pass laws and legislation so we all understand the rules of
> engagement.  How do you defend the actions of a body that when they are
> caught acting illegally, play dumb, and ultimately change those rules ad
> hoc with zero prior notification to the public.  On top of that they refuse
> to engage or answer questions that are backed up by evidence.  Our current
> Council represents what we should not want in a democracy.
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> JWE
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> *From:* Liz Bolin [mailto:lizbolin at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:52 AM
> *To:* Jonathan Ebbeler <jebbeler at efusionconsulting.com>; TownTalk <
> towntalk at riverdale-park.org>
> *Subject:* RE: [RP TownTalk] Decorum
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> Jonathan, I find it off-putting that many (very possibly valid) questions
> are put forth in a forum that is limited access....in that, many of the
> town citizens likely don't access this site or email list due to language
> barriers, having the proper technology at home, etc.  Therefore, I support
> these discussions in a more inclusive forum.  Also, as Heather said, this
> is not part of the record of our governance.
>
> It's not that you are not asking and answering questions, good ones at
> times.  The venue and approach strikes me as exclusive and contrary to our
> values as a government.
>
> If you work out of state, and yet still want to positively influence your
> town government, perhaps it is time for you to find a more effective
> method.  What you are doing is obviously not working.
>
> That said, I support your right to continue to post here on whatever topic
> is allowed by the moderator.  Just know that I've effectively tuned most of
> what you post out, because I feel there is already a channel for you
> to handle your questions.
>
> But, thanks for asking!
>
> Liz
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: jebbeler at efusionconsulting.com
> To: TownTalk at riverdale-park.org
> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 14:38:33 +0000
> Subject: [RP TownTalk] Decorum
>
> Allison/Heather/Liz
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> How is it passive aggressive to ask direct questions backed up with a
> plethora of data?  I am using the means I have available to me.  Again if
> you or anyone cares to debate the facts please present your argument.
> Telling me to shut up and go away because I present issues, topics, etc.
> that are uncomfortable to deal with is anti-democratic.
>
>
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> From what I have been told Vernon actually had quite the hand in creating
> this list serve for this EXACT purpose back when he was trying to take
> former Mayor Guy Tiberio down over the lack of open and transparent
> government via the Field of Dreams.  That predates me so I will let Vernon
> opine in.
>
>
>
> How do you presume I should go to meetings and ask questions?  As I have
> stated numerous times, I work out of state.  I am in Maryland maybe a
> handful of days a month currently.  You may all grow tiresome of tone,
> tenor, the questions etc. because I get it – it is much easier to ignore
> the issues vs. asking elected officials to actually answer questions asked.
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>
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> I ask all of you – name a single time, one single time in which I did not
> in five years answer any questions posed to me.  The double standard is
> ridiculous.
>
>
>
> JWE
>
>
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