Property taxes are are more stable than sales or income taxes and thus provide an important component of state and local government revenues. <br><br>As for relative "tax burden", I think it would be unusual for someone living here, with our tax rates, to pay more in sales tax than in property tax. A rough calculation shows that if your property taxes are currently, say, $3200 per year, or $267 per month, that you would have to make taxable purchases of $5333 per month to result in a sales tax bill of $267 (@5%). Since we mostly tax goods (and exclude groceries) and not services, I doubt that many RP'ers fall into that category.
<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 5/23/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Nancy Augustine</b> <<a href="mailto:nya_md@verizon.net">nya_md@verizon.net</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span>Great point, Nancy M. Everybody loves to hate the
property tax, but there's a good chance that it's a lot lower than your state
and local income taxes, and a lot lower than the sales taxes you pay every
year. Both of those types of taxes go to state and local government to
provide services and facilities. </span></font></div><br>
<div dir="ltr" align="left" lang="en-us">
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<font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:towntalk-bounces@riverdale-park.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">towntalk-bounces@riverdale-park.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:towntalk-bounces@riverdale-park.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">towntalk-bounces@riverdale-park.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Nancy
Mooney<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:50 AM<br><b>To:</b>
<a href="mailto:towntalk@riverdale-park.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">towntalk@riverdale-park.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RP TownTalk]
Taxes<br></font><br></div><div><span class="e" id="q_112b90e4f959cd37_1">
<div></div>Hi All -<br><br>I've been out of town and admit that I've not been
able to read <span style="text-decoration: underline;">all </span>the messages on
this topic, but want to say something anyway.... : )<br><br>In Oklahoma City,
where my husband comes from, they have schools of excellent reputation and good
roads. <span style="font-style: italic;">The also pay 8.5% sales tax on
everything <span style="text-decoration: underline;">INCLUDING
FOOD!</span></span> It would be interesting to know what other
cities/towns pay as a <span style="font-style: italic;">total</span> tax, not
just the property tax. I've heard a lot of 'talk' here about needing more
police, etc., and we know that's gotta cost. I have seen improvements in
our town already, from nicer looking common areas to more 'sightings' of our
honorable servants in blue. <br><br>I'm casting no vote at this
point for or against the tax increase, but after being shocked at what my family
in OK pays in taxes on their<span style="font-style: italic;"> groceries,</span>
I'm willing to hear what the mayor has to say. I want to live in a nice
town that is on the move up! <br><br>Hey, by the way, I've asked this
before; what is going on with the person we hired to counsel us on improving our
town commerce/town center area? I can't remember her full name. The
initial meeting was quite encouraging but I've heard nothing
since.<br><br>Thanks! Nancy
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1<br>Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 08:37:29 -0400<br>From: "CHRISTINA DAVIS"
<br>Subject: Re: [RP TownTalk] no vote will be taken
at the budget hearing<br>To: "'Dwight Holmes'" ,
"'TownTalk'"<br><br>Message-ID:
<<a href="mailto:006b01c79c6d$f6813660$020aa8c0@naw.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">006b01c79c6d$f6813660$020aa8c0@naw.org</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"<br><br>The budget historically has been delivered the week
before the election (in<br>election years), and preparation with town staff
began 1-2 months earlier.<br>Perhaps this has changed more recently, but it
might be a good system to go<br>back to. It is unusual in the town's history
for a proposed budget hike of<br>this size to have not been discussed during a
campaign, either pro or con.<br><br><br><br>Also, I have been hearing much
about road improvements; streets that were<br>repaired 5-10 years ago are
being redone again now. This is not unusual if a<br>utility company destroys
them and pays for the complete over-hall (usually<br>after much legal
wrangling). But, if these newly done streets did not<br>survive their proposed
20-30 year life span, then perhaps the road repair<br>company should be taken
to task and repair them at reduced or no cost.<br><br><br><br>A now-deceased
mayor from the 1960s touted himself as the "road-paving<br>king," and did all
of the town streets at once. Then, in the 1980s and early<br>1990s, they all
failed at the nearly same time (as their life expectancies<br>all expired at
the same time), a problem which my generation of<br>councilmembers inherited.
A more moderate approach seemed to be warranted,<br>as it would not seem
prudent to pass this problem along to your children<br>after the town had
learned such a valuable lesson then.<br><br><br><br>Chris
<br><br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From:
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On Behalf Of Dwight Holmes<br>Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 3:50 PM<br>To:
TownTalk<br>Subject: Re: [RP TownTalk] no vote will be taken at the budget
hearing<br><br><br><br>Roland--Thank you for the information here you've given
us that I was not<br>previously aware of, and which is good to know. The value
of this thread<br>continues to accumulate. However, I'm puzzled a bit by your
citing of my<br>earlier email. What I wrote was "Like some have already said,
I think it's<br>too bad the discussion couldn't have started somewhat sooner
-- it does feel<br>a bit rushed, for something as momentous as this is. But it
is good to know<br>that there are at least a few meetings to go before things
are finalized."<br>You took a piece of that out of context. I think it
misconstrued the<br>meaning of what I wrote.<br><br>And whether we are
eventually talking about tax hike of 27% or 18% or even<br>10%, I think it's
fair to say that it is momentous. I would argue at the<br>very least that it
*should* be seen as such. I'm not advocating for or<br>against any particular
proposal at this point. As a new homeowner in the<br>town, I want and need
much more information. That's why I've appreciated and<br>expressed as much
for the current thread(s) we've got going here. Without<br>this email list I
would know nothing of any of these issues. It's really<br>too bad more of our
residents don't join in. But mainly, I'm just saying<br>that a tax increase of
any amount in that range (10 - 27%) is certainly not<br>inconsequential, is
certainly significant, and may be seen by many on tight<br>budgets as mom
entous. <br><br><br><br>On 5/21/07, Roland Walker
wrote:<br><br>[Dwight Holmes writes]<br>> it does feel a
bit rushed, for something as momentous as this is.<br><br>Outside the world of
this email list, the budget process is neither so<br>rushed, nor the taxation
decision so momentous. <br><br>No vote will be taken tonight -- the meeting is
only a hearing, one<br>that is required under the laws that govern the
process.<br><br>The mayor's submitted budget represents, in large part,
"wishlists" <br>put forward by town staff, gathered up together, and proposed
to the<br>council.<br><br>Tonight's hearing publicizes a maximum number, which
our taxes cannot<br>exceed. However, it is expected that the final taxation
instructions <br>we send to the county will be lower. The law gives us the
flexibility<br>to move down -- but not up -- from the publicized number. So we
call<br>it first on the high end.<br><br>Right now, what is happening is that
your councilmembers are poring <br>over the budget, finding items to remove or
add, generally working to<br>bring the budget down by whittling away at staff
wishlists. One<br>councilmember has also found a revenue item which was
missing.<br>Citizens have also read the budget and forwarded good money-saving
<br>suggestions, and are encouraged to do so.<br><br>The incoming council are
the ones that will actually pass the budget.<br>They are on point right now to
see that the budget fits their policy<br>priorities as described to voters.
<br><br>This is generally a consultative process, not an adversarial one.
Mr<br>Oppenheim's exhortations on the subject may be charitably explained
by<br>noting that having served only half a term, he is not very familiar
<br>with the process.<br><br>The final tax rate will be lower than the
advertised rate. It will<br>probably represent a modest rise in
rates.<br><br>Vernon Archer ran for mayor in '05 on a platform or building up
our <br>town, and was unopposed in '07. Perhaps someone will run in '09 on
a<br>platform of cutting police and public works. In the
meantime,<br>measured, steady buildup will continue.<br><br>This was the
choice of the voters.
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2007 11:24:10 -0400<br>From: "Maureen Farrington"
<br>Subject: Re: [RP TownTalk] no vote will be
taken at the budget hearing<br>To: TownTalk
<br>Message-ID:<br><<a href="mailto:848cd36e0705220824r4d718b23o26c7b86410c9cec@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">848cd36e0705220824r4d718b23o26c7b86410c9cec@mail.gmail.com
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text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<br><br>If repairing the roads
all at once saves us money, I don't see how<br>this is a bad thing for the
future of the town.<br><br>On 5/22/07, CHRISTINA DAVIS
wrote:<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> The
budget historically has been delivered the week before the election
(in<br>> election years), and preparation with town staff began 1-2 months
earlier.<br>> Perhaps this has changed more recently, but it might be a
good system to go<br>> back to. It is unusual in the town's history for a
proposed budget hike of<br>> this size to have not been discussed during a
campaign, either pro or con.<br>><br>><br>><br>> Also, I have been
hearing much about road improvements; streets that were<br>> repaired 5-10
years ago are being redone again now. This is not unusual if a<br>> utility
company destroys them and pays for the complete over-hall (usually<br>>
after much legal wrangling). But, if these newly done streets did not<br>>
survive their proposed 20-30 year life span, then perhaps the road
repair<br>> company should be taken to task and repair them at reduced or
no cost.<br>><br>><br>><br>> A now-deceased mayor from the 1960s
touted himself as the "road-paving<br>> king," and did all of the town
streets at once. Then, in the 1980s and early<br>> 1990s, they all failed
at the nearly same time (as their life expectancies<br>> all expired at the
same time), a problem which my generation of<br>> councilmembers inherited.
A more moderate approach seemed to be warranted,<br>> as it would not seem
prudent to pass this problem along to your children<br>> after the town had
learned such a valuable lesson then.<br>><br>><br>><br>>
Chris<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> -----Original
Message-----<br>> From: <a href="mailto:towntalk-bounces@riverdale-park.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">towntalk-bounces@riverdale-park.org</a><br>>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:towntalk-bounces@riverdale-park.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">towntalk-bounces@riverdale-park.org</a>] On Behalf Of<br>> Dwight
Holmes<br>> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 3:50 PM<br>> To: TownTalk<br>>
Subject: Re: [RP TownTalk] no vote will be taken at the budget
hearing<br>><br>><br>><br>> Roland--Thank you for the information
here you've given us that I was not<br>> previously aware of, and which is
good to know. The value of this thread<br>> continues to accumulate.
However, I'm puzzled a bit by your citing of my<br>> earlier email. What I
wrote was "Like some have already said, I think it's<br>> too bad the
discussion couldn't have started somewhat sooner -- it does feel<br>> a bit
rushed, for something as momentous as this is. But it is good to know<br>>
that there are at least a few meetings to go before things are
finalized."<br>> You took a piece of that out of context. I think it
misconstrued the<br>> meaning of what I wrote.<br>><br>> And whether
we are eventually talking about tax hike of 27% or 18% or even<br>> 10%, I
think it's fair to say that it is momentous. I would argue at the<br>> very
least that it *should* be seen as such. I'm not advocating for or<br>>
against any particular proposal at this point. As a new homeowner in
the<br>> town, I want and need much more information. That's why I've
appreciated and<br>> expressed as much for the current thread(s) we've got
going here. Without<br>> this email list I would know nothing of any of
these issues. It's really<br>> too bad more of our residents don't join in.
But mainly, I'm just saying<br>> that a tax increase of any amount in that
range (10 - 27%) is certainly not<br>> inconsequential, is certainly
significant, and may be seen by many on tight<br>> budgets as mom
entous.<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> On 5/21/07, Roland Walker
wrote:<br>><br>> [Dwight Holmes writes]<br>> >
it does feel a bit rushed, for something as momentous as this
is.<br>><br>> Outside the world of this email list, the budget process
is neither so<br>> rushed, nor the taxation decision so
momentous.<br>><br>> No vote will be taken tonight -- the meeting is
only a hearing, one<br>> that is required under the laws that govern the
process.<br>><br>> The mayor's submitted budget represents, in large
part, "wishlists"<br>> put forward by town staff, gathered up together, and
proposed to the<br>> council.<br>><br>> Tonight's hearing publicizes
a maximum number, which our taxes cannot<br>> exceed. However, it is
expected that the final taxation instructions<br>> we send to the county
will be lower. The law gives us the flexibility<br>> to move down -- but
not up -- from the publicized number. So we call<br>> it first on the high
end.<br>><br>> Right now, what is happening is that your councilmembers
are poring<br>> over the budget, finding items to remove or add, generally
working to<br>> bring the budget down by whittling away at staff wishlists.
One<br>> councilmember has also found a revenue item which was
missing.<br>> Citizens have also read the budget and forwarded good
money-saving<br>> suggestions, and are encouraged to do so.<br>><br>>
The incoming council are the ones that will actually pass the budget.<br>>
They are on point right now to see that the budget fits their policy<br>>
priorities as described to voters.<br>><br>> This is generally a
consultative process, not an adversarial one. Mr<br>> Oppenheim's
exhortations on the subject may be charitably explained by<br>> noting that
having served only half a term, he is not very familiar<br>> with the
process.<br>><br>> The final tax rate will be lower than the advertised
rate. It will<br>> probably represent a modest rise in
rates.<br>><br>> Vernon Archer ran for mayor in '05 on a platform or
building up our<br>> town, and was unopposed in '07. Perhaps someone will
run in '09 on a<br>> platform of cutting police and public works. In the
meantime,<br>> measured, steady buildup will continue.<br>><br>> This
was the choice of the voters.<br>><br>> R<br>>
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3<br>Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:02:20 -0400<br>From: "Dwight Holmes"
<br>Subject: [RP TownTalk] re proposed property tax
increase -- an apology<br>(and some considerable relief!)<br>To: TownTalk
<br>Message-ID:<br><<a href="mailto:8123da3c0705221102i6fbfbdccu8511e0900028ba9f@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">8123da3c0705221102i6fbfbdccu8511e0900028ba9f@mail.gmail.com
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text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<br><br>i apologize for
inadvertently giving out wrong information at last<br>night's town meeting.
having done a hasty,<br>trying-to-get-to-the-meeting-on-time calculation, i
misinterpreted our<br>State of Maryland Assessment Notice, and thus came up
with a number<br>exactly triple of what it should have been: 19% rather than
57%. you<br>can imagine that we are as relieved as anyone to know that it's
not<br>57%!<br><br>one reason i was so hurried in doing that calculation was
it took me a<br>long time to decipher the semiannual "Consolidated Tax Bill
for Tax<br>Year Jul 1, 2006 to Jun 30, 2007" statement.<br>the reason for that
being that some of the numbers on that statement<br>are annual while others
are semiannual -- and they kind of leave it up<br>to the reader to figure that
out. so it took awhile to make sense of<br>it.<br><br>when i did i was able to
determine that our Town of Riverdale Park<br>taxes make up almost exactly 33%
of our total property tax bill. (PG<br>County's portion is 41%, and the
remaining 26% is made up of the other<br>various taxing jurisdictions, the
largest portion of which is Park &<br>Planning)<br><br>so the proposed
increase that we are now discussing will affect<br>roughly one-third of our
bill. i have some questions about the<br>entire, overall process, but i will
save those until i have gathered<br>more and better information.<br><br>--
<br>~~<br>Map of Riverdale Park MD Trolley Hiker-Biker Trail and Cafritz
Property<br><a href="http://tinyurl.com/2wsfql" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://tinyurl.com/2wsfql</a><br>~~<br>Tracking the Washington
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