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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">You've given people much to think about; I have to smile when I hear people say "blankety-blank foreigners, one of 'em comes here, next thing you know, they bring their whole families over." Well, that's what my German immigrant ancestors did, I'm sure many other of our families did, as well. As for assuming someone is here legally; I work with people from many, many other countries and they're here legally. And when you hear what conditions were like in some of those countries, you can understand WHY they came here. </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">I didn't ask my question about apartments (legal # of people in an apt) out of meanness, I was just curious. (we've had apartments with just 1 or 2 "native born" Americans who've caused more trouble than apartments than the families from other countries)</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">Your comments about wasted space were interesting, too. I DO admit I'd like a bigger kitchen than the one I have. Not only would Emeril not be able to do his show from my kitchen, both he and I wouldn't fit into my kitchen, it's so small! (smile)</DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Jeffrey Yorke <yorkedial@gmail.com><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> bruce.wernek@mindspring.com<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> "McDougall, Sherene (Law)" <Sherene.McDougall@ngc.com>; OurDollMom@aol.com; wheadle@yahoo.com; towntalk@riverdale-park.org; nbmooney1@yahoo.com<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thu, April 22, 2010 12:21:13 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [RP TownTalk] multiple families/apartments<BR></FONT><BR>
<DIV dir=ltr>Bruce's theory is only one scenario in the Big City of immigration in America. And in landlording. Most landlords are not out to beat the tax system illegally. At least not the ones in my sphere. And we are also not out to take advantage of tenants, citizens or undocumented immigrants.
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<DIV>Long before America's recent invasions/wars broke the bank, families and friends have been doubling up in houses. And in apartments. Part of it has been economic beyond the economy, part of it is cultural. My own Ukrainian relatives packed into a small house made for a fifth of the number of those who lived there. That was during Calvin Coolidge's administration. And it's happened to every immigrant population since, not to mentioned US born Americans. It's just more obvious to communities when the gang is "outsiders." And we immediately think they don't belong and that they are here illegally. A whole lot of assuming is going on here. </DIV>
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<DIV>One more thing: Americans are generally a people overhoused. Too darn much space for each person in a single house. Bathrooms that go on for acres, kitchens large enough for Emeril Lagasse to do his show. Should we be astounded when someone from a different culture takes new approach to otherwise wasted space? </DIV>
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<DIV>As far as fear of property values going down because "too many" people live at one address, consider if these same people were forced to live outside the dwelling, on the street. Property values would be really down then. And that would be the least of our problems. </DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:00 AM, <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:bruce.wernek@mindspring.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:bruce.wernek@mindspring.com">bruce.wernek@mindspring.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<P>Oh please, enough with the motherhood, this has been going on for years. There are two houses around a block from my house that have/had multiple families living in them long before the economic downturn. One of them, next to Ernie's Lock, was shut down about 18 months ago for this reason. The other still has around four families living in it.</P>
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<P>It's unfortunate, but many of these places are halfway houses for illegal immigrants/families. This is the way it works. A citizen or a legal immigrant buys a house. To pay for the house he/she rents rooms to illegal immigrants/families. Since the illegal immigrants/family have no identification, credit history, social security number(s), etc, it's difficult if not impossible for them to rent an apartment or find a regular job. This means that they must work as day laborers and therefore pay their rent in cash. It's perfect for the landlord because; there is no record of rent payments; there is no enforcement of rental laws because as far as the county is concerned the house is not a rental property; the landlord doesn't have to spend any money on maintainenance, insurance, etc. because again the house is "not a rental property"; enforcement of rental laws is lax if not
non-existent; and the landlord doesn't claim the rent as income so he/she doesn't pay any taxes on it while still geting all of the related benefits that we taxpayers pay for. Not only that, if the illegal immigrant/family is having difficulty paying their rent, the landlord can threaten to turn them over to the INS or just throw them out with absolutely no consequences. The tenants have no recourse since they are not legal residents.</P>
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<P>What a country! <BR></P>
<P>Bruce<BR><BR></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A href="mailto:towntalk-bounces@riverdale-park.org" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:towntalk-bounces@riverdale-park.org">towntalk-bounces@riverdale-park.org</A> [mailto:<A href="mailto:towntalk-bounces@riverdale-park.org" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:towntalk-bounces@riverdale-park.org">towntalk-bounces@riverdale-park.org</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B><A href="mailto:OurDollMom@aol.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:OurDollMom@aol.com">OurDollMom@aol.com</A><BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 20, 2010 5:57 PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:wheadle@yahoo.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:wheadle@yahoo.com">wheadle@yahoo.com</A>; <A href="mailto:bruce.wernek@mindspring.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:bruce.wernek@mindspring.com">bruce.wernek@mindspring.com</A>; <A href="mailto:nbmooney1@yahoo.com"
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">In a message dated 4/20/2010 12:30:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, <A href="mailto:wheadle@yahoo.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:wheadle@yahoo.com">wheadle@yahoo.com</A> writes:</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black"> "<A href="mailto:bruce.wernek@mindspring.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:bruce.wernek@mindspring.com">bruce.wernek@mindspring.com</A>" <<A href="mailto:bruce.wernek@mindspring.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:bruce.wernek@mindspring.com">bruce.wernek@mindspring.com</A>><BR><B>To:</B> Nancy Mooney <<A href="mailto:nbmooney1@yahoo.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:nbmooney1@yahoo.com">nbmooney1@yahoo.com</A>>; <A href="mailto:towntalk@riverdale-park.org" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:towntalk@riverdale-park.org">towntalk@riverdale-park.org</A><BR><B>Sent:</B> Tue, April 20, 2010 10:42:23 AM<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [RP TownTalk] multiple families/single family homes</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: black"></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="COLOR: black">I've noticed this too Nancy. This is going on all over town.</SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Based on my understanding, the maximum number of unrelated individuals allowable by law is five per household. I had to abide by this law when I had rental property in Hyattsvile.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">I have begun to wonder what the impact is on our town of these many single family homes that are crammed with families.<BR><BR>I know of one instance where a family of 4 shares a bedroom in the back of a house. Another large family has the front of the house, and at least one other person is living in the basement.<BR><BR>I think there are at least three families - by the number of 'moms' and kids I see. (I'm assuming they are moms) in the house next to me - which has 4 bedrooms at the most.<BR><BR>I know this group can be very caustic - please no insults about me being racist, or bigoted, or, whatever. These people I'm speaking of are my friends. But it just seems unhealthy and in the long run - a burden on the town services.<BR><BR>What I would like to know is what are the costs to the town, and what can we do to reduce this
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