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<DIV>I am absolutely amazed that a realtor would get someone a fake SSN number
to buy a house? Who was this agent? I would like to report her to
the Real Estate Commission. It is a black mark on the industry for our
members to do that. We do police our own and are required to report those
who are doing anything illegal. Do you have proof of this? I really
can't believe a realtor would do that. It would put her license and entire
livelihood in jeopardy.</DIV>
<DIV>As far as businesses employing illegals, I believe that is against the law
as well. Should they get caught, they would face consequences/ fines
etc. </DIV>
<DIV>Am I hearing things right here? Are you saying that not obeying the
law is ok?</DIV>
<DIV>I don't know why people who want to live here in the US don't just
follow the rules. If the rules don't work, then change them don't
encourage lawlessness.</DIV>
<DIV>My brother-in-law who came here as a legal immigrant is now an American
citizen. I never heard him complain that it was an impossible task.</DIV>
<DIV>Audrey (who has no clue where to get a fake SSN)</DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 4/27/2010 12:34:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
bruce.wernek@mindspring.com writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>How
about the drug dealers Nina. Do they pay taxes?<BR><BR><BR>
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Message----- <BR>From: Nina Faye <NS_FAYE@YAHOO.COM><BR>Sent: Apr 27, 2010
11:04 AM <BR>To: TownTalk@riverdale-park.org, bruce.wernek@mindspring.com
<BR>Subject: Re: [RP TownTalk] We the People <BR><BR>
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<TD vAlign=top>Please revisit the prior posting about how much tax
money is being paid into the system by "these" people. It is a
huge sum. "They" do not all work for cash; many have SSNs (most
illegal, but the money still goes into the system). They work
for major contractors, mainstream restaurants, and small and large
businesses all over the Metro area. We had neighbors at one
point whose realtor had gotten them an illegal SSN for the purpose of
buying the house. After a few years they sold and moved to a
"better" neighborhood in Montgomery County. These folks had
their own business; many of them have small businesses. Whatever
the arguments pro and con the legal issues, there is plenty of
evidence that many, many of them are paying into Social Security,
paying sales taxes, and paying property taxes.<BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue,
4/27/10, bruce.wernek@mindspring.com
<I><bruce.wernek@mindspring.com></I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From:
bruce.wernek@mindspring.com
<bruce.wernek@mindspring.com><BR>Subject: Re: [RP TownTalk] We
the People<BR>To: TownTalk@riverdale-park.org<BR>Date: Tuesday,
April 27, 2010, 10:35 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV class=plainMail>In an effort to put Sue's comments into
perspective here's the other side of the story.<BR><BR>Recall the
Mariel boatlift when the Cubans came to Miami in 1980 during the
Jimmy Carter administration. Cuba emptied their prisons. The
US looked the other way with immigration laws. Now we are
experiencing another large influx of immigrants from/through
Mexico.<BR><BR>In case any of you don't know, Mexico is literally at
war with the drug cartels. Mexican police officers are
ruthlessly murdered was well their families by individuals in these
cartels. The prisons in Mexico are not like the country clubs
in the US. I assure you, they don't have cable TV and AC.
<BR><BR>What's to prevent these cartels from crossing the border and
setting up shop in the US. For your information, it's the
immigration laws. If we do not enforce them, we'll have the
same problems as in Mexico. It's already started in the states
which border Mexico. This is why Arizona has toughened up
their immigration laws. They don't want the murder and mayhem
going on in Mexico to spread to their state. Don't take my
word for it. Google "drug cartels in Arizona". The "just
because they look different" spin is laughable.<BR><BR>The other
issue is who is going to pay for all of the services these people
are "entitled" to? Illegal aliens don't have SSNs. They
work for cash and don't pay taxes yet you see them at the welfare
office next to PG plaza. Many of them can't speak English so
any reading material has to be in Spanish. You need
translators to communicate with them and so on. What about
drivers licenses, insurance, identification, etc. How do you
perform the day to day commerce we all take for granted with people
who don't have basic identication? Who is paying for traffic
accidents which occur with people who don't have driver's licenses
or insurance? Who is paying to educate people who work for
cash? I hate break it to you dear readers, it's us.
<BR><BR>The media spin is the usual victim rhetoric and "these poor
hardworking people, let's give them a break". We don't give
the Russian immigrants a break, we don't give the Iranian immigrants
a break, we don't give the Syrian immigrants a break, even if they
are educated and well off. Yet we should give the Hispanic
people a break? The way I look at it is that we are offering
these people a great opportunity to come to our country. The
least they can do is respect our laws and country and go through the
process just like my father and grandparents did at Ellis Island
when they came from Poland. There was no "open door" policy
back then and you better believe my folks worked hard to get into
this country and make a life for themselves.<BR><BR>Who wouldn't
want to come to America. Just walk across the border and get
food stamps, welfare, political clout, etc. and leave behind a life
a poverty. If anything is expected of you, just say you are
being discrimated against because "you look different". Forget
about the Russian, Iranian, Syrian, etc. immigrants which have to
undergo whatever is required for them to be in this country.
<BR><BR>The final point I would like to make is that if the illegal
aliens respected our country and followed our immigration laws it
would not be necessary to "detain them" to ask for green
cards. How on earth this has been spun up to "just because
they look different" is beyond me.<BR><BR>I have no animosity toward
Hispanic people. If they want to come to the US, fine. I
just want them to have to conform to the same immigration laws that
immigrants from other countries are required to
do.<BR><BR>Bruce<BR><BR><BR>>-----Original
Message-----<BR>>>From: Sue Collins <<A title=http://us.mc555.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wheadle@yahoo.com href="http://us.mc555.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wheadle@yahoo.com" ymailto="mailto:wheadle@yahoo.com">wheadle@yahoo.com</A>><BR>>>Sent:
Apr 27, 2010 8:24 AM<BR>>>To: <A title=http://us.mc555.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=TownTalk@riverdale-park.org href="http://us.mc555.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=TownTalk@riverdale-park.org" ymailto="mailto:TownTalk@riverdale-park.org">TownTalk@riverdale-park.org</A><BR>>>Subject:
[RP TownTalk] We the People<BR>>><BR>>>I found the posts
on our "new neighbors" in town very interesting and informative,
whether or not I agree with them. I read a book written some
years back and the writer was talking with a border patrol officer
who said of people crossing from Mexico to the US without proper
papers, "they aren't criminals, they're just breaking the
law." Interesting way of putting it, right? Whether or
not we agree with people coming here without proper documentation,
stop and think a minute - imagine yourself a poor worker from
south of the border; you have NO prospects of improving your
life, nor will your childrens' lives be any
different. Possibly you live in a country ruled by a
dictatorship. Maybe you saw one or both of your parents taken
out by government officials, kidnappers, whoever, and never saw them
again? I'm not saying you have to agree with what these people
are doing, but just try to put yourself in their place and say with
all honesty<BR>>> that if you had any chance at all to
improve your life or your childrens' lives by heading into the
US that you wouldn't try it? I know I would. Over the
years I've talked with people from many other countries and when you
talk to people who've fled the Pol Pot regime, who've fled Cuba, and
so on, some of their stories would make you sick what they and their
families endured. <BR>>><BR>>>Anyhow, there's
nothing new under the sun; some of my ancestors were Irish and
if you look at this countrys' history there were times when "no
Irish need apply" signs were all over the place. Gangs?
Yep, those were around, as well. Each ethnic community in each
city apparently had gangs. And.... even farther back -
let's put ourselves in the place of the Indians who were here
when our people first jumped off that boat; Can't you hear
them now? "Look at this, these people are coming here
uninvited, next thing you know, they'll be bringing their whole
families. They don't want to adapt to OUR ways, they want to
bring in THEIR ways and language. " Does that sound
familiar. <BR>>><BR>>>As for some of the
laws being passed in other States, etc.; I work with people from
many, many other countries, and they're all here legally; it
makes me sick to think that my co-workers could be stopped on the
street, detained, maybe even arrested, until they could prove
they're here legally just because they look "different."
<BR>>><BR>>>NOTE: I'm talking about people
who are coming here to better their lives, which is what most of
these people are trying to do; needless to say, I'm in no way in
favor of people coming here for purposes of terrorism, setting up
gangs, etc. <BR>>><BR>>>Think of the richness of
diversity we have here in town, in our people, our environment, even
our architecture. Goes without saying there will always be
problems; but even with the problems, I'll take the great variety we
have here over some cookie-cutter-everybody-looks and acts the same
towns. <BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
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