<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Hi All, <br><br></div>I just wanted to say that I appreciate Jonathan's original post on catcalling and those that supported it. I have had the same harassment experiences (mostly on Queensbury) and while I do feel that it's a difficult type of harassment to police, that doesn't mean we should ignore the issue or that it's not worth talking about.<br><br></div>Bruce.... wow. I am shocked by your insensitive words. Keep in mind this discussion is happening after 3 recent assaults. The problem with street harassment/sexual assault in this town is not limited to 1 construction site. And frankly, I'm not going to walk up to a construction site to address the issue even if it did happen there. I'm sure the police would advise against that. And since you haven't had the experience of vocal street harassment, I'll let you in on a little secret - It's demeaning and makes the person feel vulnerable. Not flattered, not attractive. I'm sure 90% of the readers realize this. It also happens very quickly. Since you haven't had these types of experiences, maybe you should pay extra attention to these emails you seem to think are pointless, to gain a little perspective. I recall chatting with you when my husband and I first moved in. You said it was a good thing that younger people were moving to this town. If you think it's a good thing, than you should also care about what the young women are facing on our streets. I've had bicyclists and men in trucks/cars yell, whistle, etc. and slow down to get a real good look, all within walking distance of my home. I've walked my dog with mace in my hand, worn bulky clothing on hot days, and avoided walking by myself. You once commented that you hadn't seen me walking my dog lately. That's right. You used to see me a lot more when we first moved in, around 5 years ago. That was before I had experienced any of this harassment, that is difficult and sometimes embarrassing to talk about. And this was way before these women were assaulted. Sometimes raising awareness and knowing your neighbors support you is more powerful than leaving a voicemail to a construction company. Maybe one more person will pay attention if they see anyone being harassed or in an uncomfortable situation. In reality, we - you, me and our neighbors, are most likely to be the person that could provide help or support to someone on our streets being harrassed or assaulted before the cops would even be called. Knowing that women, children or men in our community could run to my door and find a safe place is important. And I hope others would do the same for me. That community awareness and support is something good that happens from discussions like this, something that the police and a construction foreman can't do.<br><br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 7:32 PM, Maureen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:maureen.farrington@gmail.com" target="_blank">maureen.farrington@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>It's funny, Bruce, because I have been heartened by this thread. Folks are offering real solutions to what they are wanting to change, not just complaining.</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>-m</div></font></span><div><div class="h5"><div><br>On Jun 14, 2015, at 5:23 PM, "Bruce Wernek" <<a href="mailto:bruce.wernek@verizon.net" target="_blank">bruce.wernek@verizon.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Mary<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Why don’t you (and Ebbeler) go to the construction company where the perpetrators (cat callers) work (I assume it’s on Maryland Ave) and talk to the owner. Let him know this is a problem. I’m sure he will have a talk with his employees to address it. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I see a lot of complaining, but no one is doing anything about it. Have you ever thought that this is the reason this sort of thing goes on. No one cares enough to take any remedial action, even those most affected. The Town, the State, and the Federal government cannot solve all of our problems. Recall the first three words in the Constitution, “We the People”. That includes every one of us in this great nation we call the United States. “We the People” are responsible for what goes on in our society<u> </u>not the government. It’s up to each and every one of us to do our part, in this case, contacting the construction company to address this issue. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">This is clearly a problem for you. Why don’t you do something about it.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Bruce <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a name="14df46ba0f41b55d__MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></a></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <a href="mailto:towntalk-bounces@riverdale-park.org" target="_blank">towntalk-bounces@riverdale-park.org</a> [<a href="mailto:towntalk-bounces@riverdale-park.org" target="_blank">mailto:towntalk-bounces@riverdale-park.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mary Wheatley<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 14, 2015 8:44 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:towntalk@riverdale-park.org" target="_blank">towntalk@riverdale-park.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RP TownTalk] Cat Calls<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Re: Mr Wernek's comments on catcalling-<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I understand your perspective on the possible challenges of enforcing unwanted, sexual verbal advances. However, your referring to it as a "nuisance" for women, and stating you'd like to receive some yourself makes me wonder if you're aware that 1 in 4 women will be sexually assaulted in their life time. For many women, unwanted sexual advances are not just words, but represent real potential threats to their safety (and can we imagine why??). <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">We should be concerned with the safety of all our citizens. Realistic implementation is certainly worth talking about, but it should be done in a context of respect that doesn't minimize the very real experience of women, either who have been assaulted or who fear becoming a statistic. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Realistically, how about if there's a place where women are being targeted, the police focus on that site? I saw the construction site mentioned- is this the Whole Foods area? <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Thank you. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Mary <br><br>On Sunday, June 14, 2015, <<a href="mailto:towntalk-request@riverdale-park.org" target="_blank">towntalk-request@riverdale-park.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><p class="MsoNormal">Send TownTalk mailing list submissions to<br> <a>towntalk@riverdale-park.org</a><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> <a href="http://riverdale-park.org/mailman/listinfo/towntalk" target="_blank">http://riverdale-park.org/mailman/listinfo/towntalk</a><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> <a>towntalk-request@riverdale-park.org</a><br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br> <a>towntalk-owner@riverdale-park.org</a><br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of TownTalk digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Sexual Assault on minor at Riverdale Plaza/CVS (Vernon Archer)<br> 2. Re: Sexual Assault on minor at Riverdale Plaza/CVS (Vernon Archer)<br> 3. Prince George's Gazette R.I.P. (Chris Currie)<br> 4. Re: Prince George's Gazette R.I.P. (Sarah Wayland)<br> 5. Re: Cat calls (<a>euniverz@aol.com</a>)<br> 6. Re: Cat calls (Bruce Wernek)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 11:46:18 -0400<br>From: Vernon Archer <<a>varcher@gmail.com</a>><br>To: TownTalk <<a>TownTalk@riverdale-park.org</a>><br>Subject: [RP TownTalk] Sexual Assault on minor at Riverdale Plaza/CVS<br>Message-ID:<br> <CAMgQDE1Yvbg3C-k+CuggnpPf548T_B6M2mgC=<a>c9T6oEvWRYn6Q@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>Friends and Neighbors,<br><br>I want to share the following information from the town and county police<br>about a sexual assault on a child that occurred yesterday.:<br><br>*The RPPD in cooperation with PGPD is investigating a sexual assault of a<br>minor that occurred on June 12, 2015 at the CVS Pharmacy located at 5707<br>Riverdale Rd. Riverdale Park, Md. *<br><br>*For further information including the description and photograph of the<br>person of interest involved in this incident, please visit the RPPD<br>Facebook page accessible on the RPPD/Town webpage. *<br><br><br><br>*Anyone having information that may assist with this investigation can<br>contact Det. Sgt. Garcia of the RPPD at <a href="tel:301-927-4343" value="+13019274343" target="_blank">301-927-4343</a> <<a href="tel:3019274343" value="+13019274343" target="_blank">3019274343</a>>. If Sgt.<br>Garcia is not available, callers are encourage to leave their contact<br>information and Sgt. Garcia will return the call at his earliest possible<br>opportunity. David C. Morris Chief of PoliceRiverdale Park, Md. Keeping our<br>town safe, clean and beautiful*<br><br>--<br>Vernon Archer, Mayor<br>Town of Riverdale Park, Maryland<br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://riverdale-park.org/pipermail/towntalk/attachments/20150613/53ddb548/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">http://riverdale-park.org/pipermail/towntalk/attachments/20150613/53ddb548/attachment-0001.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 11:53:50 -0400<br>From: Vernon Archer <<a>varcher@gmail.com</a>><br>To: TownTalk <<a>TownTalk@riverdale-park.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [RP TownTalk] Sexual Assault on minor at Riverdale<br> Plaza/CVS<br>Message-ID:<br> <<a>CAMgQDE3_YdOnzWSP1J5SHVWMRiO2P-+dBrLx14z49suwpHfR2w@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>Opps, I just checked the Facebook page and spoke to police and as of this<br>minute the post is not up, but it should be shortly.<br><br>On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Vernon Archer <<a>varcher@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>> Friends and Neighbors,<br>><br>> I want to share the following information from the town and county police<br>> about a sexual assault on a child that occurred yesterday.:<br>><br>> *The RPPD in cooperation with PGPD is investigating a sexual assault of a<br>> minor that occurred on June 12, 2015 at the CVS Pharmacy located at 5707<br>> Riverdale Rd. Riverdale Park, Md. *<br>><br>> *For further information including the description and photograph of the<br>> person of interest involved in this incident, please visit the RPPD<br>> Facebook page accessible on the RPPD/Town webpage. *<br>><br>><br>><br>> *Anyone having information that may assist with this investigation can<br>> contact Det. Sgt. Garcia of the RPPD at <a href="tel:301-927-4343" value="+13019274343" target="_blank">301-927-4343</a> <<a href="tel:3019274343" value="+13019274343" target="_blank">3019274343</a>>. If Sgt.<br>> Garcia is not available, callers are encourage to leave their contact<br>> information and Sgt. Garcia will return the call at his earliest possible<br>> opportunity. David C. Morris Chief of PoliceRiverdale Park, Md. Keeping our<br>> town safe, clean and beautiful*<br>><br>> --<br>> Vernon Archer, Mayor<br>> Town of Riverdale Park, Maryland<br>><br><br><br><br>--<br>Vernon Archer, Mayor<br>Town of Riverdale Park, Maryland<br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://riverdale-park.org/pipermail/towntalk/attachments/20150613/64fd323d/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">http://riverdale-park.org/pipermail/towntalk/attachments/20150613/64fd323d/attachment-0001.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 3<br>Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 11:55:03 -0400<br>From: Chris Currie <<a>crcurrie@gmail.com</a>><br>To: towntalk <<a>towntalk@riverdale-park.org</a>><br>Subject: [RP TownTalk] Prince George's Gazette R.I.P.<br>Message-ID:<br> <<a>CAHfsXwo03S0uC_Exiam8zqAkD7n0ghNomHPf-7EemYFhoQ8Ciw@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>Another local news source bites the dust ...<br><br><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/gazette-papers-in-montgomery-prince-georges-to-close/2015/06/12/1ffc315e-112f-11e5-9726-49d6fa26a8c6_story.html" target="_blank">http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/gazette-papers-in-montgomery-prince-georges-to-close/2015/06/12/1ffc315e-112f-11e5-9726-49d6fa26a8c6_story.html</a><br><br>Chris<br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://riverdale-park.org/pipermail/towntalk/attachments/20150613/69f088ba/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">http://riverdale-park.org/pipermail/towntalk/attachments/20150613/69f088ba/attachment-0001.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 4<br>Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 12:03:52 -0400<br>From: Sarah Wayland <<a>sarah.wayland@gmail.com</a>><br>To: Christopher Currie <<a>crcurrie@gmail.com</a>><br>Cc: towntalk <<a>towntalk@riverdale-park.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [RP TownTalk] Prince George's Gazette R.I.P.<br>Message-ID:<br> <<a>CAPUuQYm9zjDkP+PZ2j5zxh17-E7AUHKFUCs6MCdaT7xaFsC_0Q@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>At least we still have the Hyattsville Life & Times! Seriously, I'm very<br>grateful to the Hyattsville Life & Times for providing local news coverage<br>(and great reporting.)<br><br><a href="http://hyattsvillelife.com/" target="_blank">http://hyattsvillelife.com/</a><br><br>-Sarah<br><br><br><br>Sarah Wayland, Ph.D. | <a href="http://www.GuidingExceptionalParents.com" target="_blank">www.GuidingExceptionalParents.com</a><br><<a href="http://www.guidingexceptionalparents.com/" target="_blank">http://www.guidingexceptionalparents.com/</a>><br>Supporting students with learning differences & their families<br><br>*Summer Weekend Workshops || **First Put On Your Own Oxygen Mask<br><<a href="http://raisingyourchallengingchild.com/2015July-OxygenMask-RiverdalePark.html" target="_blank">http://raisingyourchallengingchild.com/2015July-OxygenMask-RiverdalePark.html</a>><br>-<br>July 11 || **Raising Your Challenging Child<br><<a href="http://raisingyourchallengingchild.com/2015July-RYCC-RiverdalePark.html" target="_blank">http://raisingyourchallengingchild.com/2015July-RYCC-RiverdalePark.html</a>> -<br>July 18 & 25*<br><br><br>On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 11:55 AM, Chris Currie <<a>crcurrie@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>> Another local news source bites the dust ...<br>><br>><br>> <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/gazette-papers-in-montgomery-prince-georges-to-close/2015/06/12/1ffc315e-112f-11e5-9726-49d6fa26a8c6_story.html" target="_blank">http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/gazette-papers-in-montgomery-prince-georges-to-close/2015/06/12/1ffc315e-112f-11e5-9726-49d6fa26a8c6_story.html</a><br>><br>> Chris<br>><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://riverdale-park.org/pipermail/towntalk/attachments/20150613/7a4d3ee8/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">http://riverdale-park.org/pipermail/towntalk/attachments/20150613/7a4d3ee8/attachment-0001.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 5<br>Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 15:25:21 -0400<br>From: <a>euniverz@aol.com</a><br>To: <a>towntalk@riverdale-park.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [RP TownTalk] Cat calls<br>Message-ID: <<a>14dee622d7b-1743-44ad@webprd-m58.mail.aol.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br><br>Hear Hear, Jonathan.<br><br>I'll add my two cents to yours.<br><br>Adrianne Lefkowitz<br>Madison Street<br><br><br><br>"Cat calls" are not protected speech.We can and do have rules on the current books that make this a municipalinfraction.Section 50-11.3 (b)(3)Yelling, shouting, etc. - Yelling,shouting, or other similar activity that annoys or disturbs the quiet, comfort,or repose of persons in any office, dwelling, or anywhere else within theTown;I have yet to see enforcement of this, yet I am sure if any female intown is asked she has been harassed when walking down the major roads in townthe answer will unanimously be 'yes.' Ask that same person what happens if theyleave their grass a little long and I bet the answer will be 'a nice bright andshiny code violation sticker.'I would love to see the town address thesafety of women with equal tenacity as we do those pesky long lawns.Just mytwo cents.JWE<br><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://riverdale-park.org/pipermail/towntalk/attachments/20150613/5371179d/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">http://riverdale-park.org/pipermail/towntalk/attachments/20150613/5371179d/attachment-0001.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 6<br>Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 07:26:03 -0400<br>From: "Bruce Wernek" <<a>bruce.wernek@verizon.net</a>><br>To: <<a>euniverz@aol.com</a>>, <<a>towntalk@riverdale-park.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [RP TownTalk] Cat calls<br>Message-ID: <005401d0a694$e7fb4880$b7f1d980$@<a href="http://verizon.net" target="_blank">verizon.net</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br><br>I can't take it anymore.<br><br><br><br>What are you proposing, 24/7 surveillance, policeman on every corner,<br>devoting police resources to the apprehension of these "criminals", clogging<br>up the legal system with these types of infractions at the expense of more<br>serious crimes, etc? Clearly, this level of effort requires significantly<br>more policing and legal resources than currently available.<br><br><br><br>Ask yourself these questions.<br><br>1) How can this type of infraction be policed?<br><br>2) What resources will be required for this activity?<br><br>3) Who is going to pay for it?<br><br>4) Is it worth the effort?<br><br><br><br>I realize this is an issue and nuisance for women, but I can think of a lot<br>more important things for our police department to be worried about.<br><br><br><br>Frankly, I'd be thrilled if I got a few cat calls.<br><br><br><br>Bruce<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>From: <a>towntalk-bounces@riverdale-park.org</a><br>[mailto:<a>towntalk-bounces@riverdale-park.org</a>] On Behalf Of <a>euniverz@aol.com</a><br>Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 3:25 PM<br>To: <a>towntalk@riverdale-park.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [RP TownTalk] Cat calls<br><br><br><br>Hear Hear, Jonathan.<br><br><br><br>I'll add my two cents to yours.<br><br><br><br>Adrianne Lefkowitz<br><br>Madison Street<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>"Cat calls" are not protected speech. We can and do have rules on the<br>current books that make this a municipal infraction. Section 50-11.3 (b)(3)<br>Yelling, shouting, etc. - Yelling, shouting, or other similar activity that<br>annoys or disturbs the quiet, comfort, or repose of persons in any office,<br>dwelling, or anywhere else within the Town; I have yet to see enforcement of<br>this, yet I am sure if any female in town is asked she has been harassed<br>when walking down the major roads in town the answer will unanimously be<br>'yes.' Ask that same person what happens if they leave their grass a little<br>long and I bet the answer will be 'a nice bright and shiny code violation<br>sticker.' I would love to see the town address the safety of women with<br>equal tenacity as we do those pesky long lawns. Just my two cents. 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