<div dir="ltr">Hi Bruce -<div><br></div><div>Thank you for your response and checking out the articles. </div><div><br></div><div>The original topic that I was referencing was Ms. Cronk's reluctance to call the police when a situation seems merely "weird" or "suspicious," as opposed to an actual crime taking place. I share her sentiment. The article that I cited succinctly summarized data that demonstrates that racial bias does exist, even when we prefer that it didn't. I believe that existing racial bias should factor into when we decide to call the police as lives are at stake. You are correct, police are trained to respond to hostile situations. They are dealing with potentially violent situations on a daily basis and are trained to respond accordingly. The police are armed and prepared for armed confrontation, thus the potential for lethal violence is escalated. If you do not summarily dismiss the research, my point was that in snap judgment situations, we as individuals react and respond with all of our society's inherent prejudices and stereotypes. </div><div><br></div><div>The reality is that unarmed Black and Brown people are more likely to die at the hands of the police:<br><br></div><div><a href="http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/01/black-americans-killed-by-police-analysis">"An analysis of public records, local news reports and Guardian reporting found that 32% of black people killed by police in 2015 were unarmed, as were 25% of Hispanic and Latino people, compared with 15% of white people killed."</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>The reality is that Black and Brown people are more likely to be racially profiled. For example:</div><br><a href="http://www.civilrights.org/publications/reports/racial-profiling2011/the-reality-of-racial.html?referrer=https://www.google.com/">"A February 2009 study of traffic stops and searches in West Virginia found a similar pattern of racial profiling. The data reveal that African-American motorists were 1.64 times more likely to be stopped than White drivers. Hispanics were 1.48 times more likely to be stopped. After the traffic stop, non-Whites were more likely to be arrested, yet police in West Virginia obtained a significantly higher contraband hit rate for White drivers than minorities."</a><div><br></div><div>My comment regarding police harassment and abuse not being "Your reality" was in response to your own statements that police "are patriots fighting a war" and they "will take care of you," as well as your incredulous response to Ms. Cronk's comments about abuse of power and harassment in communities of color. This is not your reality as you have stated your experience in this forum. It is not my reality either as a white woman. I have had very positive interactions with the police by and large, even when up to no good in high school and college. This has not been the experience or reality of some of my peers, mostly men and women of color. <br><br>To be clear, I am not indicting police or disparaging Riverdale's police department. I have called them on several occasions, including after a theft of personal property in my vehicle and when I witnessed a young man seemingly in need and potentially trying to find an empty building. When I called about the young man, I was careful to preface that he was a teen and seemed like he might need assistance and be looking for a place to sleep. I was concerned that I might put him in danger. I myself have had very positive interactions with R.P.D. and have seen them doing a ton of outreach in the community at events like Riverdale Park Day. Police DO have an incredibly hard job and are deserving of our respect. That does not mean that all police interactions are good or should be given a pass, or that bias, harassment, and abuse of power do not exist. Police in any community represent and are extensions of the community. Racial bias exists in me even though I would prefer that it did not. It exists in our community, and thus it is logical to conclude that it might exist in our police force and to take a moment and pause when we think we see something "weird" and decide to bring power and weaponry into the equation. </div><div><br></div><div>Thanks again for the dialogue. I'll be signing off as my toddler does not allow for many long digressions on list serves. </div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Alison Spain</div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><br></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 8:35 AM, Bruce Wernek <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bruce.wernek@verizon.net" target="_blank">bruce.wernek@verizon.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12px"><div>Alison<br><br><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman'">I went through a couple of the references in this article for recreation. See below. </span><br><br><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:107%;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Are Emily and Greg More Employable Than Lakisha andJamal? A Field Experiment on Labor Market Discrimination." <i>AmericanEconomic Review</i>, 2004<br><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">The Effect of Race and Sexon Physicians' Recommendations for Cardiac Catheterization, 1999<br><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Race and Gender Discrimination in Bargainingfor a New Car, 1995<br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><br><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman'">Note the years of publication for these articles. I question the validity of this data given it's age (10+ years).<br></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman'"><br></span></span><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman'">This information and your response below has nothing to do with the topic (police) we were discussing and I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.<span class=""><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></span></p><span class=""><font color="#888888"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt;line-height:normal"><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman'"><br>Bruce<br></span></p><br></font></span></div><div><div class="h5"><div> </div><div> </div><div style="border-top-width:1px;border-top-style:solid;border-top-color:rgb(188,188,188);margin:5px 0px"></div><span style="font-family:arial;color:rgb(0,0,0)">On 10/12/15, <span>Alison Spain<<a href="mailto:alisonspain@gmail.com" target="_blank">alisonspain@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:</span><div> </div><div style="font-family:arial;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div dir="ltr">Hello Bruce and all -<div><br></div><div>If you follow the link to the <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/04/upshot/the-measuring-sticks-of-racial-bias-.html?_r=0" target="_blank">NY Times article</a> each research study mentioned in the article is summarized, and then the author, Professor Mullainathan, links to the actual research and study, most which are published in peer-reviewed journals. For example, the study that states that when African Americans and Caucasians with identical resumes and training apply for the same low wage job, <b>"Their sobering finding was that African-American applicants with no criminal record were offered jobs at a rate as low as white applicants who had criminal records." </b>(Pager et al.) The link in the article takes you to the paper in the<i> American Sodciological Review</i> and summarizes the findings, methodology, and stats. So, if you'd like sources that aren't the usual media, there you go. I'd also offer that they are generally apolitical, as there are studies that indict Democratic politicians as much as Republicans and concede that there is a bias in college admissions that favors minority applicants. I'm not sure why Prof. Mullainathan background as an economist disqualifies him from undertaking research in bias and discrimination, perhaps you could elaborate. </div><div><br></div><div>What the studies do indicate and what I was trying to get at is that bias is unavoidable, no matter how well intentioned one is. The article states it more eloquently, which is why I pulled that quote, here in fuller context:</div><div><br></div><div><p style="margin:0px 0px 1em 135px;line-height:1.4375rem;width:532px;max-width:540px"><font color="#000000" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">"When our own résumé study came out, many human-resources managers told us they were stunned. They prized creating diversity in their companies, yet here was evidence that they were doing anything but. How was that possible?</font></p><p style="margin:0px 0px 1em 135px;line-height:1.4375rem;width:532px;max-width:540px"><font color="#000000" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">To use the language of the psychologist Daniel Kahneman, we think both fast and slow. When deciding what iPod to buy or which résumé to pursue, we weigh a few factors deliberately (“slow”). But for hundreds of other factors, we must rely on intuitive judgment — and we weigh these unconsciously (“fast”).</font></p><p style="margin:0px 0px 1em 135px;line-height:1.4375rem;width:532px;max-width:540px"><font color="#000000" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><b>Even if, in our slow thinking, we work to avoid discrimination, it can easily creep into our fast thinking.</b> Our snap judgments rely on all the associations we have — from fictional television shows to news reports. They use stereotypes, both the accurate and the inaccurate, both those we would want to use and ones we find repulsive."</font></p><br>You are correct, you did not mention Riverdale's Police department specifically. I don't believe Ms. Cronk was indicting police in general, either, but instead she chose to begin a dialogue around the very real risks presented to some by over-zealous policing. <a href="http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/09/06/3564082/cop-who-allegedly-assaulted-7-black-women-released-from-jail/" target="_blank"> <i>Some </i>police</a> do abuse their power. This is a reality for <i><b>many </b></i>people and communities. It's not YOUR reality, but it doesn't make it not so. </div><div><br></div><div>Alison Spain<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Bruce Wernek <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bruce.wernek@verizon.net" target="_blank">bruce.wernek@verizon.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Alison<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,78,121)">“</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,78,121)">Statistics and empirical research prove time and time again prove that racial bias exists”. </span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,78,121)">You cite statistics, what statistics? T</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,78,121)">his is an anecdote if I’ve ever seen one. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,78,121)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,78,121)">This is precisely the problem I was attempting to articulate earlier. The media claims statistics prove that something is true yet they provide no references so the reader can check them. You are doing the same thing. Again I say, what statistics?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,78,121)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,78,121)">I don’t believe everything I read in the Washington Post, New York Times, Huffington Post, Fox News, etc. I check multiple sources and statistics if available before I make judgements on any issues. Drudge Report is a great source of news if you are interested. They have articles from multiple news sources from all over the world including the ones mentioned above so you can do a little fact checking.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,78,121)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,78,121)">To requote what you wrote below, "Even if, in our slow thinking, we work to avoid discrimination, it can easily creep into our fast thinking. Our snap judgments rely on all the associations we have — from fictional television shows to news reports. They use stereotypes, both the accurate and the inaccurate, both those we would want to use and ones we find repulsive." <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,78,121)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,78,121)">Here’s some info on who wrote this article; <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sendhil_Mullainathan" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,127)">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sendhil_Mullainathan</span></a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,78,121)">He’s an professor of economics at Harvard. Clearly an expert on discrimination. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,78,121)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,78,121)">I do agree with what he says regarding the “snap judgements”. Think about that for a minute with respect to the police.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,78,121)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,78,121)">BTW, I didn’t mention the Riverdale Police in my email. Where did that come from?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,78,121)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,78,121)">Bruce</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,78,121)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a name="1506132fba515f53_1505ddc8503c6b5a__MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></a></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> <a href="mailto:towntalk-bounces@riverdale-park.org" target="_blank">towntalk-bounces@riverdale-park.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:towntalk-bounces@riverdale-park.org" target="_blank">towntalk-bounces@riverdale-park.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Alison Spain<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 12, 2015 3:51 PM<br><b>To:</b> TownTalk <<a href="mailto:towntalk@riverdale-park.org" target="_blank">towntalk@riverdale-park.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RP TownTalk] TownTalk Digest, Vol 111, Issue 8<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">Hello Neighbors -</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">I appreciate the mostly respectful dialogue that has been taking place on Town Talk regarding policing in our community. </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">Regarding Mr. Wernek's message below, I don't believe Ms. Cronk impugned or otherwise charged Riverdale's police force with any abuse of power or harassment, merely stated her hesitance to call police under the premise of seeing something "weird." </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">I've been pulled over on numerous occasions in my 41 years, Mr. Wernek, and only once have I received a speeding ticket. As a college student and young white woman, I was generally sent on my way with a warning, by white and black police, even when there was clearly underage drinking and/or other illegal behavior involved. In fact, I have never feared for my safety in my police encounters. My Black and Latino friends have not shared this experience. In high school, an Asian friend of my brother's, not even 15, had a gun drawn on him and was put to the ground for some lesser traffic offense. In fact, the only time that I did not receive the help I sought was for sexual harassment in college, when it was deemed my fault for being with another woman, hiking together in the woods without male friends, and therefore likely enticing harassment upon ourselves. </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">These are anecdotes. The reality is that your experience of "take care of them and they will take care of you" is also an anecdote. Statistics and empirical research prove time and time again prove that racial bias exists, even when we don't want it to be so. That does not mean police are bad, or that we are bad, but we are products of our environments and socialization, and of racist media and stereotypes. I was stunned to find myself afraid, yes AFRAID, of a 4-year old African American boy who was a participant at the non-profit where I taught art. This is a non-profit that serves ONLY African American boys. I am ashamed to admit this, of course, but as my boss (an African American woman) at the program said when I told her what I had thought, with much embarrassment, "Even Black people are afraid of Black people." Neither one of us believed or wanted to be programmed with these kind of thoughts, but there we were, two lefty, anti-racist, do gooder liberals, one white, one black, with all the same baggage as anyone else in America. </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Georgia,serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)">"Even if, in our slow thinking, we work to avoid discrimination, it can easily creep into our fast thinking. Our snap judgments rely on all the associations we have — from fictional television shows to news reports. They use stereotypes, both the accurate and the inaccurate, both those we would want to use and ones we find repulsive."</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">http://www</span></a><span style="font-size:9.5pt">.<a href="http://nytimes.com/2015/01/04/upshot/the-measuring-sticks-of-racial-bias-.html?_r=0" target="_blank">nytimes.com/2015/01/04/upshot/the-measuring-sticks-of-racial-bias-.html?_r=0</a></span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">When I moved to Riverdale two years ago, I had just arrived home when police came through my neighborhood with weapons drawn in search of a suspect who had presumably stolen a motorbike and crashed it. He was a young, black male. There are several young, black males in my neighborhood, and I would think very carefully about risking their lives for a stolen moped. Google Tamir Rice and tell me you wouldn't. </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Again, thanks for the dialogue,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Alison Spain<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="background:yellow">Tuckerman</span> St. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">Message: 4<br>Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 07:17:11 -0400<br>From: "Bruce Wernek" <</span><a href="mailto:bruce.wernek@verizon.net" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;background:yellow">bruce</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt">.<span style="background:yellow">wernek</span>@<span style="background:yellow">verizon</span>.net</span></a><span style="font-size:9.5pt">><br>To: "'Heather Cronk'" <</span><a href="mailto:heather.cronk@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">heather.<span style="background:yellow">cronk</span>@gmail.com</span></a><span style="font-size:9.5pt">>, "'Sarah Wayland'"<br> <</span><a href="mailto:sarah.wayland@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;background:yellow">sarah</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt">.<span style="background:yellow">wayland</span>@gmail.com</span></a><span style="font-size:9.5pt">><br>Cc: </span><a href="mailto:TownTalk@riverdale-park.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;background:yellow">TownTalk</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt">@<span style="background:yellow">riverdale</span>-park.org</span></a><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><br>Subject: Re: [RP <span style="background:yellow">TownTalk</span>] car break-in<br>Message-ID: <012601d104df$8ad04c60$a070e520$@</span><a href="http://verizon.net/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;background:yellow">verizon</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt">.net</span></a><span style="font-size:9.5pt">></span><u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"</span><u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">Heather<br><br>Flagrantly abuse their power, harass people of color? I don?t think you truly understand what police have to go through each and every day.<br><br>Imagine being a member of the police force working a long shit (12 hours) in an unsavory area in DC. One minute your working a domestic, where a husband is beating his wife and you are trying not to get into an altercation with the drunken husband, a half hour later you get a ?shots fired? and find a dead teenager laying in a pool of blood, later dealing with a drunken disorderly spitting and screaming at the top of his lungs an inch away from your face, next it?s a B and E where a distraught senior couples apartment has been completely ransacked and everything of value has been stolen. On the way to the next call, you are diverted to discover an infant in a dumpster followed by a fatal head on caused by a drug addled driver who just killed a mother with her kids calling for her in the back seat. Imagine working in this environment day after day, week after week, year after year. Think of how this would affect you and what affect it would have on your disposition and ?attitude??<br><br>Stop parroting the media tripe and think about what these men and woman have to go through. In my opinion, they are patriots fighting a war they cannot win. They are no different than any other veteran of any other war. Protecting me and you from abject chaos often risking and losing their lives to do so. On top of that they are being vilified by folks like you and the media. Sure the police make mistakes, there?s collateral damage, and there?s injustice from time to time, but this is war girl. These men and woman aren?t playing in a sand box.<br><br>I think it?s time to stop vilifying the police and start questioning the media. Their bias is in the stratosphere pretty much across the board. The police are not the enemy, they are part of the community akin to your neighbors. That?s the ?attitude? all us should have not the one you articulated below. If you take care of them, they will take care of you.<br><br>Bruce</span><u></u><u></u></p></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div><div>
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