[RP TownTalk] taxes
ABragg7393 at aol.com
ABragg7393 at aol.com
Thu Jul 23 20:26:08 UTC 2009
Hi Marc, I might have some insight. Years ago properties were not
assessed at fair market value, that's why the assessment was different than what
a property sold for. It was a percentage. Then the county decided to
assess with fair market value criteria. That's why you see a difference in the
older years compared to now as far as assessments go.
I still don't know what the solid waste is. (We are paying town tax for our
waste products and it is supposed to be included in the town tax.)
Now you don't have to go to Montgomery County to compare solid waste
service charge. Just compare an area outside of Riverdale Park that is not
incorporated. (Riverdale Heights)
The county picks up their trash and it is a fee on their tax bill.
Usually about 300+ dollars.
However if you look at properties in Riverdale Heights and compare their
assessments and taxes with ours, what a difference:
I did a few:
Assessment $355,510 Taxes $2026
Assessment $298,000 Taxes $2891
Assessment $337000 Taxes $3228
Assessment $380000 Taxes $3519
We pay higher taxes for living in our charming incorporated town.
Somewhere in there is a credit for trash pickup since the town does it and
it is part of the town taxes that we pay. The other areas (Riverdale
Heights, Riverdale Hills, etc.) do not pay the town tax.
Being in Real Estate it is getting harder and harder to convince people to
live in our county since they get lower taxes in DC and Montgomery County.
Soon as they see the taxes they ask why so high. For some reason I can't
come up with a good answer and saying "Oh the services are so much better"
just doesn't ring true for me.
Audrey
In a message dated 7/23/2009 3:40:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
mmolino54 at hotmail.com writes:
Our solid waste service charge was $90 for the two years before we moved
in, dropped to $70 for the next 6 years, and is (like yours), now at $78.
I checked some other counties for their solid waste service charge:
Montgomery county: $210
Howard County: $225 (although I'm not sure this was the same service as it
was listed separately as "trash pickup")
-Marc
> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:35:25 -0400
> Subject: Re: [RP TownTalk] taxes
> From: dwightrholmes at gmail.com
> To: mmolino54 at hotmail.com
> CC: towntalk at riverdale-park.org
>
> thanks for the link, Marc. I can see that, at least in our case, while
> our bill has gone up substantially every year, the increase almost
> nothing to do with the Solid Waste Service Charge. That charge has
> been on there every year and has increased from $71 to $78 in the 3
> years we've been in the house.
>
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Marc Molino<mmolino54 at hotmail.com>
wrote:
> > If you need/want to compare your (or even your neighbor's) current
> > assessment, taxes, and solid waste service charge with amounts in past
> > years, you can access this info pretty easily here:
> > http://tax-acct-info.princegeorgescountymd.gov/PropertyTaxes/
> >
> > We've been in RP for 8 years now and for the first 6 years, our
property
> > assessment seemed underestimated by anywhere from $20-$100K given the
market
> > value of comparable homes in our neighborhood. This year it seems about
> > $10-$30K overestimated given sales of comparable homes (not including
short
> > sales and foreclosures). Honestly, I don't know how I feel about
it--should
> > I have been paying more for those first 6 years? Does it all wash out
in the
> > end? Does the Homestead Tax Credit provide a buffer that makes my taxes
> > actually relate to the real value of my home?
> >
> > >From 2004 to 2007, our total tax bill increased by $100.
> > >From 2007 to 2010, our total tax bill increased by $960.
> > So, we went from about a bump of $30 every year to about $300 more
> > every year. Seems steep.
> >
> > -Marc
> >
> >> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:08:03 -0400
> >> From: dwightrholmes at gmail.com
> >> To: bruce.wernek at mindspring.com
> >> CC: ABragg7393 at aol.com; towntalk at riverdale-park.org
> >> Subject: Re: [RP TownTalk] taxes
> >>
> >> Bruce - that link is for the non-residential version called 'system
> >> benefit charge'.
> >>
> >> "What is the SBC?
> >>
> >> The SBC is a fee paid by all non-residential property owners in Prince
> >> George's County that will help provide funding for building and
> >> maintaining waste disposal systems. The SBC is a service charge and
> >> not a tax, and therefore also applies to establishments located on
> >> tax-exempt land."
> >>
> >> I assume the comparable information for the residential version is on
> >> the web there somewhere but i didn't see it in a very quick
> >> look-see...
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 1:00 PM, <bruce.wernek at mindspring.com> wrote:
> >> > Audrey
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I've already called the county and got the skinny. You can get more
> >> > info in
> >> > the following link
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "www.pgc-systembenefit.com"
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > under "sbc". I talked to Mr Wright at (301) 952-7609 who works in
the
> >> > environmental division of PG county and he told me this charge pays
for
> >> > things like "digging the hole" at the dump (I wonder what the money
> >> > collected from the citizens, businesses, and trash trucks for
disposal
> >> > at
> >> > the dump is used for). I asked Mr Wright why I was never billed for
> >> > this in
> >> > the past and he said I probably just fell through the cracks.
> >> > Apparently,
> >> > there are quite a few people who "fell through the crack".
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > This "Solid Waste Service Charge" has no business being on my tax
bill
> >> > since
> >> > it is not a tax. I'm very concerned about this since the county
could
> >> > put
> >> > any amount on my tax bill and label is a "you name it service
charge"
> >> > essentially increasing my property taxes without any restrictions.
If I
> >> > recall PG county tried to raise property taxes, but their request
was
> >> > denied
> >> > by the state. It's interesting to note the timing of this new
"Solid
> >> > Waste
> >> > Service Charge". I intend to go through whatever process to refute
this
> >> > charge with the county. I intend on calling the Treasury this
afternoon
> >> > to
> >> > get more information.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I encourage all of our readers to do the same. From where I stand,
this
> >> > is
> >> > charge is carte blanche for PG county to increase property tax
without
> >> > having to answer to the state.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Bruce
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: ABragg7393 at aol.com
> >> > Sent: Jul 23, 2009 8:38 AM
> >> > To: towntalk at riverdale-park.org
> >> > Subject: [RP TownTalk] taxes
> >> >
> >> > The property tax bills just came out. I heard there was some buzz
on
> >> > the
> >> > Hyattsville list serve, but don't see anything here on our list
serve.
> >> > Is
> >> > everyone happy with their bills and assessments? I have a question
and
> >> > calls to the treasury office don't produce an answer. We seem to
have a
> >> > new
> >> > charge on our taxes for "Solid Waste Disposal". does anyone know
what
> >> > that
> >> > is? I think my taxes are outrageous. Does anyone else have a
problem?
> >> >
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