[RP TownTalk] multiple families/apartments
ABragg7393 at aol.com
ABragg7393 at aol.com
Thu Apr 22 16:24:40 UTC 2010
Nancy and all,
We have a code enforcement department in the town of Riverdale. You can
pick up a booklet of all the codes at the town offices. On top of that we
have county codes as well. You can look at that on the county web site. I
believe it is against the law to have 20 cats. I think number of animals
are limited unless you have a breeder's license. If there are too many cars
on the street, you can petition your council rep to limit parking to one
side or residents only or something to make it more convenient for the
streeet. Your tax dollars pay for these services, so you need to call and let
them know of the problems so they can take care of it. Rental properties
are required to have a license and must have yearly inspections, if the
property near you is horrible, than you should call and repot it so that they
can check on licensing and make sure they get it inspected and up to code.
Call or email our code department. Number is in town crier. Call or
email your town council rep. Number is also in town crier. They can't do
anything if they don't hear from you.
Audrey
In a message dated 4/22/2010 10:55:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
nbmooney1 at yahoo.com writes:
Catarina -
Another good point - and it is not necessarily an eye-sore. The home next
to mine is kept about as well as others. The one next to it, though, is
horrible. So it is a land-lord issue, not a multi-family issue.
The number of cars parked in the road makes it inconvenient. What about
water/sewage? Trash removal? What are the real costs to our town? Anyone
know? Is it any worse than the single family on my street that has, what,
20 cats and keeps their trash cans out front and has let their yard go to
ruin?? Or people who feed stray cats increasing the risk of rabies being
spread (oh, I've mentioned an animal, now I'm in for it....)?
Nancy
--- On Thu, 4/22/10, catarina correia <chatareena at gmail.com> wrote:
From: catarina correia <chatareena at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RP TownTalk] multiple families/apartments
To: "McDougall, Sherene (Law)" <Sherene.McDougall at ngc.com>
Cc: "Jeffrey Yorke" <yorkedial at gmail.com>, bruce.wernek at mindspring.com,
OurDollMom at aol.com, towntalk at riverdale-park.org, nbmooney1 at yahoo.com
Date: Thursday, April 22, 2010, 9:34 AM
i wish more people would have moved in next door so they could have
afforded to stay there. instead, the home was foreclosed and then sold for the
unbelivably low price of $70,000!!! talk about decreasing home values!!
the home is worth at least 200,000!!!
i guess i dont understand what the problem is with having many people
living in a home if they are not being noisy. how is it an "eyesore"???
-catarina
On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 8:42 AM, McDougall, Sherene (Law)
<_Sherene.McDougall at ngc.com_ (mip://04529840/mc/compose?to=Sherene.McDougall@ngc.com) >
wrote:
Quite agree. I am from a West Indian culture and know how it is with big
families in a small space. Could not have said it better about the wasted
spaces in huge homes, though I am guilty of that to a point but only
because I extended from a small home to a moderate one to make more room for my
family, extended family and friends when they come to visit.
From: Jeffrey Yorke [mailto:_yorkedial at gmail.com_
(mip://04529840/mc/compose?to=yorkedial@gmail.com) ]
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 12:21 AM
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Cc: McDougall, Sherene (Law); _OurDollMom at aol.com_
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Subject: Re: [RP TownTalk] multiple families/apartments
Bruce's theory is only one scenario in the Big City of immigration in
America. And in landlording. Most landlords are not out to beat the tax system
illegally. At least not the ones in my sphere. And we are also not out to
take advantage of tenants, citizens or undocumented immigrants.
Long before America's recent invasions/wars broke the bank, families and
friends have been doubling up in houses. And in apartments. Part of it has
been economic beyond the economy, part of it is cultural. My own Ukrainian
relatives packed into a small house made for a fifth of the number of those
who lived there. That was during Calvin Coolidge's administration. And it's
happened to every immigrant population since, not to mentioned US born
Americans. It's just more obvious to communities when the gang is
"outsiders." And we immediately think they don't belong and that they are here
illegally. A whole lot of assuming is going on here.
One more thing: Americans are generally a people overhoused. Too darn much
space for each person in a single house. Bathrooms that go on for acres,
kitchens large enough for Emeril Lagasse to do his show. Should we be
astounded when someone from a different culture takes new approach to otherwise
wasted space?
As far as fear of property values going down because "too many" people
live at one address, consider if these same people were forced to live outside
the dwelling, on the street. Property values would be really down then.
And that would be the least of our problems.
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:00 AM, <_bruce.wernek at mindspring.com_
(mip://04529840/mc/compose?to=bruce.wernek@mindspring.com) > wrote:
Oh please, enough with the motherhood, this has been going on for years.
There are two houses around a block from my house that have/had multiple
families living in them long before the economic downturn. One of them, next
to Ernie's Lock, was shut down about 18 months ago for this reason. The
other still has around four families living in it.
It's unfortunate, but many of these places are halfway houses for illegal
immigrants/families. This is the way it works. A citizen or a legal
immigrant buys a house. To pay for the house he/she rents rooms to illegal
immigrants/families. Since the illegal immigrants/family have no
identification, credit history, social security number(s), etc, it's difficult if not
impossible for them to rent an apartment or find a regular job. This means
that they must work as day laborers and therefore pay their rent in cash.
It's perfect for the landlord because; there is no record of rent
payments; there is no enforcement of rental laws because as far as the county is
concerned the house is not a rental property; the landlord doesn't have to
spend any money on maintainenance, insurance, etc. because again the house is
"not a rental property"; enforcement of rental laws is lax if not
non-existent; and the landlord doesn't claim the rent as income so he/she doesn't
pay any taxes on it while still geting all of the related benefits that we
taxpayers pay for. Not only that, if the illegal immigrant/family is
having difficulty paying their rent, the landlord can threaten to turn them over
to the INS or just throw them out with absolutely no consequences. The
tenants have no recourse since they are not legal residents.
What a country!
Bruce
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From: "McDougall, Sherene (Law)"
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Subject: RE: [RP TownTalk] multiple families/apartments
Please remember that in these times when a lot of people are losing their
homes, families are bundling up and living with relatives so as not to end
up on the streets. I do agree that there are instances where unrelated
people dwell in a home, but we are all trying to survive.
Sherene
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Subject: Re: [RP TownTalk] multiple families/apartments
Some time ago I went to a meeting about
this topic. The answer was the courts are
so overloaded with serious cases that the
judges will not hear or prosecute people
who have multiple family members/friends
living with them. Also was mentioned that
these people are trying to survive, make a
living, send money back home, etc. They
said the rules cannot be enforced.
In a message dated 4/20/2010 12:30:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
_wheadle at yahoo.com_ (mip://04529840/mc/compose?to=wheadle@yahoo.com) writes:
On the same subject, what is the maximum number of people allowed in, for
instance, a 1 bedroom apartment? Just curious...
____________________________________
From: "_bruce.wernek at mindspring.com_
(mip://04529840/mc/compose?to=bruce.wernek@mindspring.com) " <_bruce.wernek at mindspring.com_
(mip://04529840/mc/compose?to=bruce.wernek@mindspring.com) >
To: Nancy Mooney <_nbmooney1 at yahoo.com_
(mip://04529840/mc/compose?to=nbmooney1@yahoo.com) >; _towntalk at riverdale-park.org_
(mip://04529840/mc/compose?to=towntalk@riverdale-park.org)
Sent: Tue, April 20, 2010 10:42:23 AM
Subject: Re: [RP TownTalk] multiple families/single family homes
I've noticed this too Nancy. This is going on all over town.
Based on my understanding, the maximum number of unrelated individuals
allowable by law is five per household. I had to abide by this law when I had
rental property in Hyattsvile.
-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Mooney
Sent: Apr 20, 2010 10:33 AM
To: _towntalk at riverdale-park.org_
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Subject: [RP TownTalk] multiple families/single family homes
I have begun to wonder what the impact is on our town of these many
single family homes that are crammed with families.
I know of one instance where a family of 4 shares a bedroom in the back of
a house. Another large family has the front of the house, and at least
one other person is living in the basement.
I think there are at least three families - by the number of 'moms' and
kids I see. (I'm assuming they are moms) in the house next to me - which
has 4 bedrooms at the most.
I know this group can be very caustic - please no insults about me being
racist, or bigoted, or, whatever. These people I'm speaking of are my
friends. But it just seems unhealthy and in the long run - a burden on the
town services.
What I would like to know is what are the costs to the town, and what can
we do to reduce this impact?
Nancy
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