[RP TownTalk] multiple families/apartments
ABragg7393 at aol.com
ABragg7393 at aol.com
Thu Apr 22 14:15:38 UTC 2010
Prince George's County has rules and regulations regarding the number of
people in a space. They calculate by square footage and also number of
bedrooms and living space. You can look it up on the county web site. These
are the laws of the county and we should all obey the law, no matter where
we come from or who we are. If some folks are suffering hardship, then it
is up to the others to help them out, either through county programs or
through our own efforts. Talking and complaining does not help. Get out
there and do something.
Audrey
In a message dated 4/22/2010 10:09:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
bruce.wernek at mindspring.com writes:
There are numerous reasons for limits to the number of people in a home
not the least of which is safety.
When a home is designed, the architect makes assumptions about how many
people will be living there. This becomes significant when you start to
count the number of exits. Theres a litany of regulations in this area, which
I do not want to get into, but it's all related to safety. Imagine a fire
at one of the homes with four families. Assuming two children per family,
that would mean 16 people living in a house designed for ~6 people (three
bedrooms 1.5 baths). All of them would be scrambling for the two exits. I
would not want to be one of them.
The other issue is living conditions. Imagine 16 people living in a three
bedroom house with 1.5 bathrooms, a living room, and a dining room. That
would mean there would be three people sleeping in each room with four in
one of them. Would any of you want to live like that?
Imagine 16 people bathing in one bathroom or sharing one kitchen. Would
any of you want to be one of those people? On 43rd there was a grandmother
with three children living in a garage awhile back using electric space
heaters in the winter and yes this was in Riverdale. Does this sound like the
kind of living conditions we want in this town or anywhere else for that
matter. What about basic human dignity. I hear a lot of talk about it.
For your information, this is what it's all about.
I keep reading all of this motherhood, but what about the reality of it
all. Does anyone out there think about these things?
Bruce
-----Original Message-----
From: "McDougall, Sherene (Law)"
Sent: Apr 22, 2010 8:42 AM
To: Jeffrey Yorke , bruce.wernek at mindspring.com
Cc: OurDollMom at aol.com, wheadle at yahoo.com, towntalk at riverdale-park.org,
nbmooney1 at yahoo.com
Subject: RE: [RP TownTalk] multiple families/apartments
Quite agree. I am from a West Indian culture and know how it is with big
families in a small space. Could not have said it better about the wasted
spaces in huge homes, though I am guilty of that to a point but only
because I extended from a small home to a moderate one to make more room for my
family, extended family and friends when they come to visit.
From: Jeffrey Yorke [mailto:yorkedial at gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 12:21 AM
To: bruce.wernek at mindspring.com
Cc: McDougall, Sherene (Law); OurDollMom at aol.com; wheadle at yahoo.com;
towntalk at riverdale-park.org; nbmooney1 at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [RP TownTalk] multiple families/apartments
Bruce's theory is only one scenario in the Big City of immigration in
America. And in landlording. Most landlords are not out to beat the tax system
illegally. At least not the ones in my sphere. And we are also not out to
take advantage of tenants, citizens or undocumented immigrants.
Long before America's recent invasions/wars broke the bank, families and
friends have been doubling up in houses. And in apartments. Part of it has
been economic beyond the economy, part of it is cultural. My own Ukrainian
relatives packed into a small house made for a fifth of the number of those
who lived there. That was during Calvin Coolidge's administration. And it's
happened to every immigrant population since, not to mentioned US born
Americans. It's just more obvious to communities when the gang is "outsiders."
And we immediately think they don't belong and that they are here
illegally. A whole lot of assuming is going on here.
One more thing: Americans are generally a people overhoused. Too darn much
space for each person in a single house. Bathrooms that go on for acres,
kitchens large enough for Emeril Lagasse to do his show. Should we be
astounded when someone from a different culture takes new approach to otherwise
wasted space?
As far as fear of property values going down because "too many" people
live at one address, consider if these same people were forced to live outside
the dwelling, on the street. Property values would be really down then.
And that would be the least of our problems.
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:00 AM, <_bruce.wernek at mindspring.com_
(mailto:bruce.wernek at mindspring.com) > wrote:
Oh please, enough with the motherhood, this has been going on for years.
There are two houses around a block from my house that have/had multiple
families living in them long before the economic downturn. One of them, next
to Ernie's Lock, was shut down about 18 months ago for this reason. The
other still has around four families living in it.
It's unfortunate, but many of these places are halfway houses for illegal
immigrants/families. This is the way it works. A citizen or a legal
immigrant buys a house. To pay for the house he/she rents rooms to illegal
immigrants/families. Since the illegal immigrants/family have no
identification, credit history, social security number(s), etc, it's difficult if not
impossible for them to rent an apartment or find a regular job. This means
that they must work as day laborers and therefore pay their rent in cash.
It's perfect for the landlord because; there is no record of rent payments;
there is no enforcement of rental laws because as far as the county is
concerned the house is not a rental property; the landlord doesn't have to
spend any money on maintainenance, insurance, etc. because again the house is
"not a rental property"; enforcement of rental laws is lax if not
non-existent; and the landlord doesn't claim the rent as income so he/she doesn't
pay any taxes on it while still geting all of the related benefits that we
taxpayers pay for. Not only that, if the illegal immigrant/family is having
difficulty paying their rent, the landlord can threaten to turn them over
to the INS or just throw them out with absolutely no consequences. The
tenants have no recourse since they are not legal residents.
What a country!
Bruce
-----Original Message-----
From: "McDougall, Sherene (Law)"
Sent: Apr 20, 2010 6:01 PM
To: _OurDollMom at aol.com_ (mailto:OurDollMom at aol.com) , _wheadle at yahoo.com_
(mailto:wheadle at yahoo.com) , _bruce.wernek at mindspring.com_
(mailto:bruce.wernek at mindspring.com) , _nbmooney1 at yahoo.com_ (mailto:nbmooney1 at yahoo.com) ,
_towntalk at riverdale-park.org_ (mailto:towntalk at riverdale-park.org)
Subject: RE: [RP TownTalk] multiple families/apartments
Please remember that in these times when a lot of people are losing their
homes, families are bundling up and living with relatives so as not to end
up on the streets. I do agree that there are instances where unrelated
people dwell in a home, but we are all trying to survive.
Sherene
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Subject: Re: [RP TownTalk] multiple families/apartments
Some time ago I went to a meeting about
this topic. The answer was the courts are
so overloaded with serious cases that the
judges will not hear or prosecute people
who have multiple family members/friends
living with them. Also was mentioned that
these people are trying to survive, make a
living, send money back home, etc. They
said the rules cannot be enforced.
In a message dated 4/20/2010 12:30:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
_wheadle at yahoo.com_ (mailto:wheadle at yahoo.com) writes:
On the same subject, what is the maximum number of people allowed in, for
instance, a 1 bedroom apartment? Just curious...
____________________________________
From: "_bruce.wernek at mindspring.com_ (mailto:bruce.wernek at mindspring.com) "
<_bruce.wernek at mindspring.com_ (mailto:bruce.wernek at mindspring.com) >
To: Nancy Mooney <_nbmooney1 at yahoo.com_ (mailto:nbmooney1 at yahoo.com) >;
_towntalk at riverdale-park.org_ (mailto:towntalk at riverdale-park.org)
Sent: Tue, April 20, 2010 10:42:23 AM
Subject: Re: [RP TownTalk] multiple families/single family homes
I've noticed this too Nancy. This is going on all over town.
Based on my understanding, the maximum number of unrelated individuals
allowable by law is five per household. I had to abide by this law when I had
rental property in Hyattsvile.
-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Mooney
Sent: Apr 20, 2010 10:33 AM
To: _towntalk at riverdale-park.org_ (mailto:towntalk at riverdale-park.org)
Subject: [RP TownTalk] multiple families/single family homes
I have begun to wonder what the impact is on our town of these many single
family homes that are crammed with families.
I know of one instance where a family of 4 shares a bedroom in the back of
a house. Another large family has the front of the house, and at least
one other person is living in the basement.
I think there are at least three families - by the number of 'moms' and
kids I see. (I'm assuming they are moms) in the house next to me - which has
4 bedrooms at the most.
I know this group can be very caustic - please no insults about me being
racist, or bigoted, or, whatever. These people I'm speaking of are my
friends. But it just seems unhealthy and in the long run - a burden on the town
services.
What I would like to know is what are the costs to the town, and what can
we do to reduce this impact?
Nancy
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