[RP TownTalk] multiple families/apartments
Don Lynch
dlynch at garretroomstudios.com
Fri Apr 23 04:16:55 UTC 2010
Audrey,
I contacted code enforcement about an illegal apartment building and all
I was told was, how difficult it was to correct the problem.
That was a year ago and the status quo hasn't changed.
I can't believe that there are legitimate apartment owners who are so
complacent about this issue. I know they struggle with tax issues, code
issues, fire safety code compliances.
Somehow adherence to such concerns are above the overcrowded single
family homes where children reside.
If we, as a community, aren't concerned about young children, who aren't
aware of safety issues, living in these illegal dwellings, then what are
we concerned about or ignoring?
Don
ABragg7393 at aol.com wrote:
> Nancy and all,
> We have a code enforcement department in the town of Riverdale. You
> can pick up a booklet of all the codes at the town offices. On top of
> that we have county codes as well. You can look at that on the county
> web site. I believe it is against the law to have 20 cats. I think
> number of animals are limited unless you have a breeder's license. If
> there are too many cars on the street, you can petition your council
> rep to limit parking to one side or residents only or something to
> make it more convenient for the streeet. Your tax dollars pay for
> these services, so you need to call and let them know of the problems
> so they can take care of it. Rental properties are required to have a
> license and must have yearly inspections, if the property near you is
> horrible, than you should call and repot it so that they can check on
> licensing and make sure they get it inspected and up to code.
> Call or email our code department. Number is in town crier. Call or
> email your town council rep. Number is also in town crier. They
> can't do anything if they don't hear from you.
> Audrey
>
> In a message dated 4/22/2010 10:55:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> nbmooney1 at yahoo.com writes:
>
> Catarina -
>
> Another good point - and it is not necessarily an eye-sore. The
> home next to mine is kept about as well as others. The one next
> to it, though, is horrible. So it is a land-lord issue, not a
> multi-family issue.
>
> The number of cars parked in the road makes it inconvenient. What
> about water/sewage? Trash removal? What are the real costs to
> our town? Anyone know? Is it any worse than the single family on
> my street that has, what, 20 cats and keeps their trash cans out
> front and has let their yard go to ruin?? Or people who feed
> stray cats increasing the risk of rabies being spread (oh, I've
> mentioned an animal, now I'm in for it....)?
>
> Nancy
>
>
>
> --- On *Thu, 4/22/10, catarina correia /<chatareena at gmail.com>/*
> wrote:
>
>
> From: catarina correia <chatareena at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [RP TownTalk] multiple families/apartments
> To: "McDougall, Sherene (Law)" <Sherene.McDougall at ngc.com>
> Cc: "Jeffrey Yorke" <yorkedial at gmail.com>,
> bruce.wernek at mindspring.com, OurDollMom at aol.com,
> towntalk at riverdale-park.org, nbmooney1 at yahoo.com
> Date: Thursday, April 22, 2010, 9:34 AM
>
> i wish more people would have moved in next door so they could
> have afforded to stay there. instead, the home was foreclosed
> and then sold for the unbelivably low price of $70,000!!!
> talk about decreasing home values!! the home is worth at
> least 200,000!!!
>
> i guess i dont understand what the problem is with having many
> people living in a home if they are not being noisy. how is
> it an "eyesore"???
> -catarina
>
> On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 8:42 AM, McDougall, Sherene (Law)
> <Sherene.McDougall at ngc.com
> <mip://04529840/mc/compose?to=Sherene.McDougall@ngc.com>> wrote:
>
> Quite agree. I am from a West Indian culture and know how
> it is with big families in a small space. Could not have
> said it better about the wasted spaces in huge homes,
> though I am guilty of that to a point but only because I
> extended from a small home to a moderate one to make more
> room for my family, extended family and friends when they
> come to visit.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jeffrey Yorke [mailto:yorkedial at gmail.com
> <mip://04529840/mc/compose?to=yorkedial@gmail.com>]
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 22, 2010 12:21 AM
>
> *To:* bruce.wernek at mindspring.com
> <mip://04529840/mc/compose?to=bruce.wernek@mindspring.com>
> *Cc:* McDougall, Sherene (Law); OurDollMom at aol.com
> <mip://04529840/mc/compose?to=OurDollMom@aol.com>;
> wheadle at yahoo.com
> <mip://04529840/mc/compose?to=wheadle@yahoo.com>;
> towntalk at riverdale-park.org
> <mip://04529840/mc/compose?to=towntalk@riverdale-park.org>;
> nbmooney1 at yahoo.com
> <mip://04529840/mc/compose?to=nbmooney1@yahoo.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [RP TownTalk] multiple families/apartments
>
>
>
> Bruce's theory is only one scenario in the Big City of
> immigration in America. And in landlording. Most landlords
> are not out to beat the tax system illegally. At least not
> the ones in my sphere. And we are also not out to take
> advantage of tenants, citizens or undocumented immigrants.
>
>
>
> Long before America's recent invasions/wars broke the
> bank, families and friends have been doubling up in
> houses. And in apartments. Part of it has been economic
> beyond the economy, part of it is cultural. My own
> Ukrainian relatives packed into a small house made for a
> fifth of the number of those who lived there. That was
> during Calvin Coolidge's administration. And it's happened
> to every immigrant population since, not to mentioned US
> born Americans. It's just more obvious to communities when
> the gang is "outsiders." And we immediately think they
> don't belong and that they are here illegally. A whole lot
> of assuming is going on here.
>
>
>
> One more thing: Americans are generally a people
> overhoused. Too darn much space for each person in a
> single house. Bathrooms that go on for acres, kitchens
> large enough for Emeril Lagasse to do his show. Should we
> be astounded when someone from a different culture takes
> new approach to otherwise wasted space?
>
>
>
> As far as fear of property values going down because "too
> many" people live at one address, consider if these same
> people were forced to live outside the dwelling, on the
> street. Property values would be really down then. And
> that would be the least of our problems.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:00 AM,
> <bruce.wernek at mindspring.com
> <mip://04529840/mc/compose?to=bruce.wernek@mindspring.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Oh please, enough with the motherhood, this has been going
> on for years. There are two houses around a block from my
> house that have/had multiple families living in them long
> before the economic downturn. One of them, next to
> Ernie's Lock, was shut down about 18 months ago for this
> reason. The other still has around four families living
> in it.
>
>
>
> It's unfortunate, but many of these places are halfway
> houses for illegal immigrants/families. This is the way
> it works. A citizen or a legal immigrant buys a house.
> To pay for the house he/she rents rooms to illegal
> immigrants/families. Since the illegal immigrants/family
> have no identification, credit history, social security
> number(s), etc, it's difficult if not impossible for them
> to rent an apartment or find a regular job. This means
> that they must work as day laborers and therefore
> pay their rent in cash. It's perfect for the landlord
> because; there is no record of rent payments; there is no
> enforcement of rental laws because as far as the county is
> concerned the house is not a rental property; the landlord
> doesn't have to spend any money on maintainenance,
> insurance, etc. because again the house is "not a rental
> property"; enforcement of rental laws is lax if not
> non-existent; and the landlord doesn't claim the rent as
> income so he/she doesn't pay any taxes on it while still
> geting all of the related benefits that we taxpayers pay
> for. Not only that, if the illegal immigrant/family is
> having difficulty paying their rent, the landlord can
> threaten to turn them over to the INS or just throw them
> out with absolutely no consequences. The tenants have no
> recourse since they are not legal residents.
>
>
>
> What a country!
>
> Bruce
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "McDougall, Sherene (Law)"
> Sent: Apr 20, 2010 6:01 PM
> To: OurDollMom at aol.com
> <mip://04529840/mc/compose?to=OurDollMom@aol.com>,
> wheadle at yahoo.com
> <mip://04529840/mc/compose?to=wheadle@yahoo.com>,
> bruce.wernek at mindspring.com
> <mip://04529840/mc/compose?to=bruce.wernek@mindspring.com>,
> nbmooney1 at yahoo.com
> <mip://04529840/mc/compose?to=nbmooney1@yahoo.com>,
> towntalk at riverdale-park.org
> <mip://04529840/mc/compose?to=towntalk@riverdale-park.org>
>
> Subject: RE: [RP TownTalk] multiple families/apartments
>
> Please remember that in these times when a lot of
> people are losing their homes, families are bundling
> up and living with relatives so as not to end up on
> the streets. I do agree that there are instances
> where unrelated people dwell in a home, but we are all
> trying to survive.
>
>
>
> Sherene
>
>
>
> *From:* towntalk-bounces at riverdale-park.org
> <mip://04529840/mc/compose?to=towntalk-bounces@riverdale-park.org>
> [mailto:towntalk-bounces at riverdale-park.org
> <mip://04529840/mc/compose?to=towntalk-bounces@riverdale-park.org>]
> *On Behalf Of *OurDollMom at aol.com
> <mip://04529840/mc/compose?to=OurDollMom@aol.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 20, 2010 5:57 PM
> *To:* wheadle at yahoo.com
> <mip://04529840/mc/compose?to=wheadle@yahoo.com>;
> bruce.wernek at mindspring.com
> <mip://04529840/mc/compose?to=bruce.wernek@mindspring.com>;
> nbmooney1 at yahoo.com
> <mip://04529840/mc/compose?to=nbmooney1@yahoo.com>;
> towntalk at riverdale-park.org
> <mip://04529840/mc/compose?to=towntalk@riverdale-park.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [RP TownTalk] multiple families/apartments
>
>
>
> Some time ago I went to a meeting about
>
> this topic. The answer was the courts are
>
> so overloaded with serious cases that the
>
> judges will not hear or prosecute people
>
> who have multiple family members/friends
>
> living with them. Also was mentioned that
>
> these people are trying to survive, make a
>
> living, send money back home, etc. They
>
> said the rules cannot be enforced.
>
>
>
> In a message dated 4/20/2010 12:30:35 P.M. Eastern
> Daylight Time, wheadle at yahoo.com
> <mip://04529840/mc/compose?to=wheadle@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>
>
> On the same subject, what is the maximum number of
> people allowed in, for instance, a 1 bedroom
> apartment? Just curious...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* "bruce.wernek at mindspring.com
> <mip://04529840/mc/compose?to=bruce.wernek@mindspring.com>"
> <bruce.wernek at mindspring.com
> <mip://04529840/mc/compose?to=bruce.wernek@mindspring.com>>
> *To:* Nancy Mooney <nbmooney1 at yahoo.com
> <mip://04529840/mc/compose?to=nbmooney1@yahoo.com>>;
> towntalk at riverdale-park.org
> <mip://04529840/mc/compose?to=towntalk@riverdale-park.org>
> *Sent:* Tue, April 20, 2010 10:42:23 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [RP TownTalk] multiple
> families/single family homes
>
> I've noticed this too Nancy. This is going on all
> over town.
>
>
>
> Based on my understanding, the maximum number of
> unrelated individuals allowable by law is five per
> household. I had to abide by this law when I had
> rental property in Hyattsvile.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nancy Mooney
> Sent: Apr 20, 2010 10:33 AM
> To: towntalk at riverdale-park.org
> <mip://04529840/mc/compose?to=towntalk@riverdale-park.org>
>
> Subject: [RP TownTalk] multiple
> families/single family homes
>
> I have begun to wonder what the impact is on
> our town of these many single family homes
> that are crammed with families.
>
> I know of one instance where a family of 4
> shares a bedroom in the back of a house.
> Another large family has the front of the
> house, and at least one other person is living
> in the basement.
>
> I think there are at least three families - by
> the number of 'moms' and kids I see. (I'm
> assuming they are moms) in the house next to
> me - which has 4 bedrooms at the most.
>
> I know this group can be very caustic - please
> no insults about me being racist, or bigoted,
> or, whatever. These people I'm speaking of
> are my friends. But it just seems unhealthy
> and in the long run - a burden on the town
> services.
>
> What I would like to know is what are the
> costs to the town, and what can we do to
> reduce this impact?
>
> Nancy
>
>
>
>
>
>
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