[RP TownTalk] We the People

Tue Apr 27 23:36:08 UTC 2010

Bruce,

I don't think anybody supports "illegal immigration". People do however,
support the immigrants. There is a difference. There would be no illegal
immigration in this country if employers were punished for hiring illegal
immigrants. When my husband was in college, he was traveling in Europe and
wanted to live there for a year and work. But this was not possible because
the laws were such that employers there could not legally hire him without
being severely punished. Because of this, illegal immigration was not a
problem in that country and he had to return home.

Ronald Reagan was the president who allowed illegal immigration to get out
of hand in this country when he allowed two amnesties for illegal immigrants
and we went from having 1 million illegal immigrants to around 5 million on
his watch. This was done as a sop to business and to break unions. It was
very effective. Due to the fact that we have had very pro-business
presidents since Reagan, the amount of illegal immigrants has ballooned to
12 million or more. But make no mistake, it is physically impossible to
arrest and deport 12 million illegal immigrants.

Illegal immigrants are basically being used as slave labor by businesses. We
should  be careful not to fall into the trap of blaming the slaves. It is
the slaveowners who act with impunity and are the root cause of the
problem.

we should support increased government regulation and punishment of business
to help solve this problem as opposed to demonizing our brothers and sisters
to the south who are trying to make a living.

catarina
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Melissa Avery <m.avery at rocketmail.com>wrote:

> Did you ever stop to think ware those illegal social security numbers came
> from?
> Have you ever had your identity stole for illegal purposes?
>
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> *From:* Nina Faye <ns_faye at yahoo.com>
> *To:* TownTalk at riverdale-park.org; bruce.wernek at mindspring.com
> *Sent:* Tue, April 27, 2010 11:04:30 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [RP TownTalk] We the People
>
>   Please revisit the prior posting about how much tax money is being paid
> into the system by "these" people.  It is a huge sum.  "They" do not all
> work for cash; many have SSNs (most illegal, but the money still goes into
> the system).  They work for major contractors, mainstream restaurants, and
> small and large businesses all over the Metro area.  We had neighbors at one
> point whose realtor had gotten them an illegal SSN for the purpose of buying
> the house.  After a few years they sold and moved to a "better" neighborhood
> in Montgomery County.  These folks had their own business; many of them have
> small businesses.  Whatever the arguments pro and con the legal issues,
> there is plenty of evidence that many, many of them are paying into Social
> Security, paying sales taxes, and paying property taxes.
>
> --- On *Tue, 4/27/10, bruce.wernek at mindspring.com <
> bruce.wernek at mindspring.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: bruce.wernek at mindspring.com <bruce.wernek at mindspring.com>
> Subject: Re: [RP TownTalk] We the People
> To: TownTalk at riverdale-park.org
> Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 10:35 AM
>
> In an effort to put Sue's comments into perspective here's the other side
> of the story.
>
> Recall the Mariel boatlift when the Cubans came to Miami in 1980 during the
> Jimmy Carter administration. Cuba emptied their prisons.  The US looked the
> other way with immigration laws.  Now we are experiencing another large
> influx of immigrants from/through Mexico.
>
> In case any of you don't know, Mexico is literally at war with the drug
> cartels.  Mexican police officers are ruthlessly murdered was well their
> families by individuals in these cartels.  The prisons in Mexico are not
> like the country clubs in the US.  I assure you, they don't have cable TV
> and AC.
>
> What's to prevent these cartels from crossing the border and setting up
> shop in the US.  For your information, it's the immigration laws.  If we do
> not enforce them, we'll have the same problems as in Mexico.  It's already
> started in the states which border Mexico.  This is why Arizona has
> toughened up their immigration laws.  They don't want the murder and mayhem
> going on in Mexico to spread to their state.  Don't take my word for it.
> Google "drug cartels in Arizona".  The "just because they look different"
> spin is laughable.
>
> The other issue is who is going to pay for all of the services these people
> are "entitled" to?  Illegal aliens don't have SSNs.  They work for cash and
> don't pay taxes yet you see them at the welfare office next to PG plaza.
> Many of them can't speak English so any reading material has to be in
> Spanish.  You need translators to communicate with them and so on.  What
> about drivers licenses, insurance, identification, etc.  How do you perform
> the day to day commerce we all take for granted with people who don't have
> basic identication?  Who is paying for traffic accidents which occur with
> people who don't have driver's licenses or insurance?  Who is paying to
> educate people who work for cash?  I hate break it to you dear readers, it's
> us.
>
> The media spin is the usual victim rhetoric and "these poor hardworking
> people, let's give them a break".  We don't give the Russian immigrants a
> break, we don't give the Iranian immigrants a break, we don't give the
> Syrian immigrants a break, even if they are educated and well off.  Yet we
> should give the Hispanic people a break?  The way I look at it is that we
> are offering these people a great opportunity to come to our country.  The
> least they can do is respect our laws and country and go through the process
> just like my father and grandparents did at Ellis Island when they came from
> Poland.  There was no "open door" policy back then and you better believe my
> folks worked hard to get into this country and make a life for themselves.
>
> Who wouldn't want to come to America.  Just walk across the border and get
> food stamps, welfare, political clout, etc. and leave behind a life a
> poverty.  If anything is expected of you, just say you are being discrimated
> against because "you look different".  Forget about the Russian, Iranian,
> Syrian, etc. immigrants which have to undergo whatever is required for them
> to be in this country.
>
> The final point I would like to make is that if the illegal aliens
> respected our country and followed our immigration laws it would not be
> necessary to "detain them" to ask for green cards.  How on earth this has
> been spun up to "just because they look different" is beyond me.
>
> I have no animosity toward Hispanic people.  If they want to come to the
> US, fine.  I just want them to have to conform to the same immigration laws
> that immigrants from other countries are required to do.
>
> Bruce
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Sue Collins <wheadle at yahoo.com<http://us.mc555.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wheadle@yahoo.com>
> >
> >>Sent: Apr 27, 2010 8:24 AM
> >>To: TownTalk at riverdale-park.org<http://us.mc555.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=TownTalk@riverdale-park.org>
> >>Subject: [RP TownTalk] We the People
> >>
> >>I found the posts on our "new neighbors" in town very interesting and
> informative, whether or not I agree with them.  I read a book written some
> years back and the writer was talking with a border patrol officer who said
> of people crossing from Mexico to the US without proper papers, "they aren't
> criminals, they're just breaking the law."  Interesting way of putting it,
> right?  Whether or not we agree with people coming here without proper
> documentation, stop and think a minute - imagine yourself a poor worker from
> south of the border; you have NO prospects of improving your life, nor will
> your childrens' lives be any different.  Possibly you live in a country
> ruled by a dictatorship.  Maybe you saw one or both of your parents taken
> out by government officials, kidnappers, whoever, and never saw them again?
> I'm not saying you have to agree with what these people are doing, but just
> try to put yourself in their place and say with all honesty
> >> that if you had any chance at all to improve your life or your
> childrens' lives by heading into the US that you wouldn't try it?  I know I
> would.  Over the years I've talked with people from many other countries and
> when you talk to people who've fled the Pol Pot regime, who've fled Cuba,
> and so on, some of their stories would make you sick what they and their
> families endured.
> >>
> >>Anyhow, there's nothing new under the sun; some of my ancestors
> were Irish and if you look at this countrys' history there were times when
> "no Irish need apply" signs were all over the place.  Gangs?  Yep, those
> were around, as well.  Each ethnic community in each city apparently
> had gangs.  And.... even farther back - let's put ourselves in the place of
> the Indians who were here when our people first jumped off that boat;  Can't
> you hear them now?  "Look at this, these people are coming here uninvited,
> next thing you know, they'll be bringing their whole families.  They don't
> want to adapt to OUR ways, they want to bring in THEIR ways and language. "
> Does that sound familiar.
> >>
> >>As for some of the laws being passed in other States, etc.; I work with
> people from many, many other countries, and they're all here legally; it
> makes me sick to think that my co-workers could be stopped on the street,
> detained, maybe even arrested, until they could prove they're here legally
> just because they look "different."
> >>
> >>NOTE: I'm talking about people who are coming here to better their lives,
> which is what most of these people are trying to do; needless to say, I'm in
> no way in favor of people coming here for purposes of terrorism, setting up
> gangs, etc.
> >>
> >>Think of the richness of diversity we have here in town, in our people,
> our environment, even our architecture.  Goes without saying there will
> always be problems; but even with the problems, I'll take the great variety
> we have here over some cookie-cutter-everybody-looks and acts the same
> towns.
> >>
> >>
> >>
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