[RP TownTalk] We the People

Wed Apr 28 00:01:46 UTC 2010

Catarina,
You brought up a very important point. A lot of the people living in these over crowed houses are basically slave labor. 
the living conditions must be unbearable, similar to the conditions slaves were forced to live under in our country in the 1700's and 1800's.
An example is the man who owns the chain of Latin chicken restaurants in Prince Georg's County and Montgomery County. He had imported illegal food workers he forced to work in his restaurants and kept them living crammed  in his basement.
He was prosecuted for tax evasion and keeping an illegal work force. He is now in federal prison.
So there is some justice coming.

Bruce brought up a point as well. A lot of these illegal apartment buildings in single family homes are taking advantage of a vulnerable population. 

It sounds a lot like people who were imported from Europe in the 1800's and forced to work in the coal mines or as garment workers in sweat shops.
The worker were not to blame for there status - 
It is greedy business owners who were willing to sacrifice human life to line there pockets.

The same thing is happening with the current imported work force. We are encouraging  slave labor house in our neighborhood by turning a blind eye.

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From: catarina correia <chatareena at gmail.com>
To: Melissa Avery <m.avery at rocketmail.com>
Cc: Nina Faye <ns_faye at yahoo.com>; TownTalk at riverdale-park.org; bruce.wernek at mindspring.com
Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 7:36:08 PM
Subject: Re: [RP TownTalk] We the People

Bruce,

I don't think anybody supports "illegal immigration". People do however, support the immigrants. There is a difference. There would be no illegal immigration in this country if employers were punished for hiring illegal immigrants. When my husband was in college, he was traveling in Europe and wanted to live there for a year and work. But this was not possible because the laws were such that employers there could not legally hire him without being severely punished. Because of this, illegal immigration was not a problem in that country and he had to return home.
Ronald Reagan was the president who allowed illegal immigration to get out of hand in this country when he allowed two amnesties for illegal immigrants and we went from having 1 million illegal immigrants to around 5 million on his watch. This was done as a sop to business and to break unions. It was very effective. Due to the fact that we have had very pro-business presidents since Reagan, the amount of illegal immigrants has ballooned to 12 million or more. But make no mistake, it is physically impossible to arrest and deport 12 million illegal immigrants.

Illegal immigrants are basically being used as slave labor by businesses. We should  be careful not to fall into the trap of blaming the slaves. It is the slaveowners who act with impunity and are the root cause of the problem. 

we should support increased government regulation and punishment of business to help solve this problem as opposed to demonizing our brothers and sisters to the south who are trying to make a living.  

catarina

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Melissa Avery <m.avery at rocketmail.com> wrote:

Did you ever stop to think ware those illegal social security numbers came from?
>Have you ever had your identity stole for illegal purposes?
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>Please revisit the prior posting about how much tax money is being paid into the system by "these" people.  It is a huge sum.  "They" do not all work for cash; many have SSNs (most illegal, but the money still goes into the system).  They work for major contractors, mainstream restaurants, and small and large businesses all over the Metro area.  We had neighbors at one point whose realtor had gotten them an illegal SSN for the purpose of buying the house.  After a few years they sold and moved to a "better" neighborhood in Montgomery County.  These folks had their own business; many of them have small businesses.  Whatever the arguments pro and con the legal issues, there is plenty of evidence that many, many of them are paying into Social Security, paying sales taxes, and paying property taxes.
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>--- On Tue, 4/27/10, bruce.wernek at mindspring.com <bruce.wernek at mindspring.com> wrote:
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>>From: bruce.wernek at mindspring.com <bruce.wernek at mindspring.com>
>>Subject: Re: [RP TownTalk] We the People
>>To: TownTalk at riverdale-park.org
>>Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 10:35 AM
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>>In an effort to put Sue's comments into perspective here's the other side of the story.
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>>Recall the Mariel boatlift when the Cubans came to Miami in 1980 during the Jimmy Carter administration. Cuba emptied their prisons.  The US looked the other way with immigration laws.  Now we are experiencing another large influx of immigrants from/through Mexico.
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>>In case any of you don't know, Mexico is literally at war with the drug cartels.  Mexican police officers are ruthlessly murdered was well their families by individuals in these cartels.  The prisons in Mexico are not like the country clubs in the US.  I assure you, they don't have cable TV and AC. 
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>>What's to prevent these cartels from crossing the border and setting up shop in the US.  For your information, it's the immigration laws.  If we do not enforce them, we'll have the same problems as in Mexico.  It's already started in the states which border Mexico.  This is why Arizona has toughened up their immigration laws.  They don't want the murder and mayhem going on in Mexico to spread to their state.  Don't take my word for it.  Google "drug cartels in Arizona".  The "just because they look different" spin is laughable.
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>>The other issue is who is going to pay for all of the services these people are "entitled" to?  Illegal aliens don't have SSNs.  They work for cash and don't pay taxes yet you see them at the welfare office next to PG plaza.  Many of them can't speak English so any reading material has to be in Spanish.  You need translators to communicate with them and so on.  What about drivers licenses, insurance, identification, etc.  How do you perform the day to day commerce we all take for granted with people who don't have basic identication?  Who is paying for traffic accidents which occur with people who don't have driver's licenses or insurance?  Who is paying to educate people who work for cash?  I hate break it to you dear readers, it's us.  
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>>The media spin is the usual victim rhetoric and "these poor hardworking people, let's give them a break".  We don't give the Russian immigrants a break, we don't give the Iranian immigrants a break, we don't give the Syrian immigrants a break, even if they are educated and well off.  Yet we should give the Hispanic people a break?  The way I look at it is that we are offering these people a great opportunity to come to our country.  The least they can do is respect our laws and country and go through the process just like my father and grandparents did at Ellis Island when they came from Poland.  There was no "open door" policy back then and you better believe my folks worked hard to get into this country and make a life for themselves.
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>>Who wouldn't want to come to America.  Just walk across the border and get food stamps, welfare, political clout, etc. and leave behind a life a poverty.  If anything is expected of you, just say you are being discrimated against because "you look different".  Forget about the Russian, Iranian, Syrian, etc. immigrants which have to undergo whatever is required for them to be in this country.  
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>>The final point I would like to make is that if the illegal aliens respected our country and followed our immigration laws it would not be necessary to "detain them" to ask for green cards.  How on earth this has been spun up to "just because they look different" is beyond me.
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>>I have no animosity toward Hispanic people.  If they want to come to the US, fine.  I just want them to have to conform to the same immigration laws that immigrants from other countries are required to do.
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>>Bruce
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>>>>From: Sue Collins <wheadle at yahoo.com>
>>>>Sent: Apr 27, 2010 8:24 AM
>>>>To: TownTalk at riverdale-park.org
>>>>Subject: [RP TownTalk] We the People
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>>>>I found the posts on our "new neighbors" in town very interesting and informative, whether or not I agree with them.  I read a book written some years back and the writer was talking with a border patrol officer who said of people crossing from Mexico to the US without proper papers, "they aren't criminals, they're just breaking the law."  Interesting way of putting it, right?  Whether or not we agree with people coming here without proper documentation, stop and think a minute - imagine yourself a poor worker from south of the border; you have NO prospects of improving your life, nor will your childrens' lives be any different.  Possibly you live in a country ruled by a dictatorship.  Maybe you saw one or both of your parents taken out by government officials, kidnappers, whoever, and never saw them again?  I'm not saying you have to agree with what these people are doing, but just try to put yourself in their place and say with
 all honesty
>>>> that if you had any chance at all to improve your life or your childrens' lives by heading into the US that you wouldn't try it?  I know I would.  Over the years I've talked with people from many other countries and when you talk to people who've fled the Pol Pot regime, who've fled Cuba, and so on, some of their stories would make you sick what they and their families endured.  
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>>>>Anyhow, there's nothing new under the sun; some of my ancestors were Irish and if you look at this countrys' history there were times when "no Irish need apply" signs were all over the place.  Gangs?  Yep, those were around, as well.  Each ethnic community in each city apparently had gangs.  And.... even farther back - let's put ourselves in the place of the Indians who were here when our people first jumped off that boat;  Can't you hear them now?  "Look at this, these people are coming here uninvited, next thing you know, they'll be bringing their whole families.  They don't want to adapt to OUR ways, they want to bring in THEIR ways and language. " Does that sound familiar.   
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>>>>As for some of the laws being passed in other States, etc.; I work with people from many, many other countries, and they're all here legally; it makes me sick to think that my co-workers could be stopped on the street, detained, maybe even arrested, until they could prove they're here legally just because they look "different."    
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>>>>NOTE: I'm talking about people who are coming here to better their lives, which is what most of these people are trying to do; needless to say, I'm in no way in favor of people coming here for purposes of terrorism, setting up gangs, etc.  
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>>>>Think of the richness of diversity we have here in town, in our people, our environment, even our architecture.  Goes without saying there will always be problems; but even with the problems, I'll take the great variety we have here over some cookie-cutter-everybody-looks and acts the same towns.  
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