[RP TownTalk] We the people contd

Wed Apr 28 15:04:56 UTC 2010

Let's all try to lower the temperature around here and remember that there
are things we have in common:

   1. We all want people who live here to obey our laws.
   2. This is a difficult problem that can't be solved with sound bites and
   rhetoric.
   3. The folks commenting here are committed to making our town a better
   place to live.
   4. As far as I know, we don't want to return to the bad old days of
   discriminating against each other based on skin color.
   5. None of us who are committed to our side of the argument will convince
   the other of the superiority of our facts when we are dealing in facts.
   6. As the mayor said, we are not responsible for enforcing federal laws
   at the local level.

As for me, I believe in both justice and humanity and see no conflict
between those beliefs. I am just about to close out my interest in this
subject so please don't bother trying to get me to comment for another week.

Thanks,

Jim Coleman

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 10:34 AM, <bruce.wernek at mindspring.com> wrote:

>  Catarina
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> How dare you say that Arizona has passed racist laws!  How dare you!
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> The governor of Arizona is doing everything in her power to protect the
> citizens of Arizona from the Mexican drug cartels who are setting up shop in
> her state.  It is unfortunate that legal immigrants will be inconvenienced
> as a result, but the benefits far outway the costs.
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> Have you done any research on how serious this drug cartel problem is?  The
> violence just across the border is literally a war.  Mexican police officers
> are rewarded for defending the citizenry by getting their throats slit,
> decapitated, dismembered, and shot by the drug cartels.  These police
> officers are heros of the highest order.  They lay down their lives for
> their country.  The same is true for Jan Brewer.  She is sacrificing her
> political career and reputation to protect Arizona from this blight while
> the media mocks her for the sake of political correctness.  It's a total
> utter disgrace and reflection on the state of our country.  Jan Brewer is a
> hero and and sets an example for all those losers in Washington not to
> mention all the woman in this country.  As far as I'm concerned she should
> run for president.
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> Read and learn instead of parrotting the medias tripe.  See the link below
> for one of many examples.
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> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704471204575210362202908580.html?mod=WSJ_WSJ_US_News_5
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> Again I say, how dare you infer that that good woman is a racist by doing
> what needs to be done.  You need to take a long look in the mirror lady.
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> Bruce
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: catarina correia
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 10:03 AM
> To: Sue Collins
> Cc: TownTalk at riverdale-park.org
> Subject: Re: [RP TownTalk] We the people contd
>
> before i too bow out of this discussion, i wanted to make sure my opinion
> was clear.
>
> i initially started posting because i was shocked/upset by the seemingly
> short-sighted and intolerant posts by some of my neighbors about illegal
> immigrants.
>
> unfortunately, illegal immigration is a problem in this country for a
> number of reasons.  However, i REFUSE to fault/criminalize the illegal
> immigrant who is here,( perhaps overcrowding a home) to make money to
> survive.  there are many reasons why people from Mexico and Central America
> are here and it is essential to look at the roots of the problem.
>
> Free trade agreements like NAFTA have displaced millions of workers who
> flood into the United States.  these agreements have severely lowered wages
> in other countries, forced local farmers out of business, exploited and
> harmed workers in other countries and pillaged their environment.  in places
> like india and china they have created innumerable inastances of starvation
> wages, child workers, slave-labor hours and perilous work conditions.
>
> also, federal regulations on the hiring of illegal immigrants are not
> enforced, so places like Walmart continue to exploit illegal immigrants with
> no consequence.
>
> i could go on, but my point is that instead of demonizing our nighbors, we
> should be boycotting places like Walmart that have no respect for federal
> labor laws or unions, demanding an end to NAFTA and CAFTA which hurt workers
> here and abroad.
>
> if you are worried about the taxes these illegal immigrants may or may not
> be paying, there are a lot BIGGER sources of unpaid taxes out there - eg.
> GE, Bank of America who owe MILLIONS in tax money.
>
> and, yes, i believe we should be absolutely up in arms about the draconian,
> racist law passed in Arizona which basically makes it illegal to "walk while
> brown".
>
> this article is good and i leave you with a thought from it:
> http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/04/28-0
>
> "Instead of expressing gratitude for the back-breaking work migrant
> laborers contribute to our society, there is an increasingly virulent strain
> of racism that targets non-citizens.
>
> Let us join the voices of compassion and oppose the mean-spirited actions
> that aim to scapegoat immigrants. Laws like SB 1070 demean us all."
>
> thank you,
> Catarina
>
>
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