[RP TownTalk] Cafritz vote

Wed Jul 11 20:15:38 UTC 2012

another heaping supply of deep scientific research going on in
Averyville....

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Melissa Avery <m.avery at rocketmail.com>wrote:

> I find a lot of the men on town talk are bullies  or maybe women haters.
> that seems to be the prevailing culture.
>
>
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> *From:* Euniverz <euniverz at aol.com>
> *To:* skilletfries at yahoo.com; towntalk at riverdale-park.org
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 11, 2012 3:55 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [RP TownTalk] Cafritz vote
>
>
> I am shocked and saddened that what Mr. Farrington says here, especially
> the last few sentences, is permitted on this list.  Sir, you are indeed a
> bully.
>
> Adrianne Lefkowitz
> Riverdale Park resident
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Farrington <skilletfries at yahoo.com>
> To: Euniverz <euniverz at aol.com>; towntalk <towntalk at riverdale-park.org>
> Sent: Wed, Jul 11, 2012 12:16 pm
> Subject: Re: [RP TownTalk] Cafritz vote
>
>   If I understand you correctly,
>
>  1.)  You can call me patronizing, and make a patently-false accusation
> of me using an insulting logical fallacy that you clearly do not
> understand*, and that's you speaking your mind, perhaps even speaking truth
> to power (though I'm just some guy who owns a house and does NOT want any
> power).
>
>  2.)  But me saying that it's offensive to call hundreds of hours of hard
> work; dozens of well-publicized, open meetings, creating hundreds of pages
> of evidence, a public relations ploy, and a call to please be involved in
> continuing to shape the outcome, just more of the same, is "hurling an
> attack," and "closing down discourse," and
>
>  3.)  Me saying it is also offensive that you would do the above above is
> as well, and
>
> 4.) Me refusing to be silenced by your attacks is in and of itself an
> attack on you.
>
> If this is correct, I would like to thank you for rarely saying anything
> on Town Talk, and invite you to keep up the good work.  I bet you could
> post even less, if you work at it.
>
> Andrew Farrington
> Queensbury Road
>
> *  http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html
>
>
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> *From:* Euniverz <euniverz at aol.com>
> *To:* skilletfries at yahoo.com; towntalk at riverdale-park.org
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 11, 2012 11:52 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [RP TownTalk] Cafritz vote
>
>
> Well, here we go, case in point.  Mr. Farrington's response and tone
> speaks for itself.  No, you don't have the authority to stop anyone from
> saying anything, but I can tell you, if we were talking face to face and
> you spoke to me like that, you would certainly shut the conversation down
> in a moment,  And asking me to look up a word is terribly patronizing.
> That would shut down the conversation pretty quickly too.  I don't need to
> look up the meaning of the words I use, I know what they mean before I use
> them.
>
> This is why I very rarely say anything on TownTalk.
>
> Adrianne Lefkowitz
> Riverdale Park Resident
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Farrington <skilletfries at yahoo.com>
> To: Euniverz <euniverz at aol.com>; towntalk <towntalk at riverdale-park.org>
> Sent: Wed, Jul 11, 2012 9:58 am
> Subject: Re: [RP TownTalk] Cafritz vote
>
>   You should really look up ad hominem.
>
>  My friends gave up hundreds of hours working hard on something they
> really think is good for their town.  I disagreed, and disagreed so
> strongly that I mobilized.  I carried petitions, I went to meetings, I sent
> emails, I worked hard against this.  Because I disagreed, and strongly.
> However, saying that their work was a public-relations dog-and-pony
> show.  Is. EXTREMELY. Offensive.  Saying so is not an attack, and it didn't
> close down anything.  Guess what?  I do not have the authority to keep
> anyone from saying anything.  But when you insult my friends, I'm gonna
> stand up and say how I feel about it.  I get to, and I'm not sorry.  And, I
> find your poorly-considered, emotional message ... extremely offensive.
>
>  Andrew
>
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> *From:* Euniverz <euniverz at aol.com>
> *To:* towntalk at riverdale-park.org
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 11, 2012 8:45 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [RP TownTalk] Cafritz vote
>
>  I'll say it publicly,
>
> I usually keep my opinions to myself, or at least I don't share them here
> anymore, because bullying and bashing is all too common on this list and
> frankly, who needs it?  Just because you prefaced your statement by saying
> "you're allowed to feel that way", which I find highly patronizing, you
> don't get to hurl ad hominem attacks and close down open discourse like
> that.
>
> She didn't say anything wrong or offensive.  Me thinks thou doth protest
> too much.
>
> Adrianne Lefkowitz
> Riverdale Park Resident
>
>
>
>
>
> Ms Collins,
>
> I myself most decidedly did not say any of those mean things.  I did not bash
> you.  I said simply that I found your remarks about "the politicians" and their
> motives offensive.  This was prefaced by saying you're allowed to feel that
> way and say so.
>
> Not to put too fine a point on it, but *you* bashed.  I said, roughly, "Hey now,
> they don't deserve that, and it's mean."  And now I'm getting
> private mail calling me a meanie and you're getting public mail saying
> you're being bashed.  There's actually a lot of this, on this list.
>
> Best regards,
> Andrew
>
>
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