[RP TownTalk] We the People

Tue Apr 27 17:16:50 UTC 2010

I am absolutely amazed that a realtor would get someone a fake SSN number  
to buy a house?  Who was this agent?  I would like to report her to  the 
Real Estate Commission.  It is a black mark on the industry for our  members to 
do that.  We do police our own and are required to report those  who are 
doing anything illegal.  Do you have proof of this?  I really  can't believe a 
realtor would do that.  It would put her license and entire  livelihood in 
jeopardy.
As far as businesses employing illegals, I believe that is against the law  
as well.  Should they get caught, they would face consequences/ fines  etc. 

Am I hearing things right here?  Are you saying that not obeying the  law 
is ok?
I don't know why people who want to live here in the US don't just  follow 
the rules.  If the rules don't work, then change them don't  encourage 
lawlessness.
My brother-in-law who came here as a legal immigrant is now an American  
citizen.  I never heard him complain that it was an impossible task.
Audrey (who has no clue where to get a fake SSN)

In a message dated 4/27/2010 12:34:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
bruce.wernek at mindspring.com writes:

How  about the drug dealers Nina.  Do they pay taxes?

-----Original  Message----- 
From: Nina Faye 
Sent: Apr 27, 2010  11:04 AM 
To: TownTalk at riverdale-park.org, bruce.wernek at mindspring.com  
Subject: Re: [RP TownTalk] We the People 

Please revisit the prior posting about how much tax  money is being paid 
into the system by "these" people.  It is a  huge sum.  "They" do not all work 
for cash; many have SSNs (most  illegal, but the money still goes into the 
system).  They work  for major contractors, mainstream restaurants, and 
small and large  businesses all over the Metro area.  We had neighbors at one  
point whose realtor had gotten them an illegal SSN for the purpose of  buying 
the house.  After a few years they sold and moved to a  "better" 
neighborhood in Montgomery County.  These folks had  their own business; many of them 
have small businesses.  Whatever  the arguments pro and con the legal 
issues, there is plenty of  evidence that many, many of them are paying into 
Social Security,  paying sales taxes, and paying property taxes.

--- On Tue,  4/27/10, bruce.wernek at mindspring.com  
<bruce.wernek at mindspring.com> wrote:

From:  bruce.wernek at mindspring.com  <bruce.wernek at mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: [RP TownTalk] We  the People
To: TownTalk at riverdale-park.org
Date: Tuesday,  April 27, 2010, 10:35 AM

In an effort to put Sue's comments into  perspective here's the other side 
of the story.

Recall the  Mariel boatlift when the Cubans came to Miami in 1980 during 
the  Jimmy Carter administration. Cuba emptied their prisons.  The  US looked 
the other way with immigration laws.  Now we are  experiencing another large 
influx of immigrants from/through  Mexico.

In case any of you don't know, Mexico is literally at  war with the drug 
cartels.  Mexican police officers are  ruthlessly murdered was well their 
families by individuals in these  cartels.  The prisons in Mexico are not like 
the country clubs  in the US.  I assure you, they don't have cable TV and AC. 

What's to prevent these cartels from crossing the border and  setting up 
shop in the US.  For your information, it's the  immigration laws.  If we do 
not enforce them, we'll have the  same problems as in Mexico.  It's already 
started in the states  which border Mexico.  This is why Arizona has 
toughened up  their immigration laws.  They don't want the murder and mayhem  going 
on in Mexico to spread to their state.  Don't take my  word for it.  Google 
"drug cartels in Arizona".  The "just  because they look different" spin is 
laughable.

The other  issue is who is going to pay for all of the services these 
people  are "entitled" to?  Illegal aliens don't have SSNs.  They  work for cash 
and don't pay taxes yet you see them at the welfare  office next to PG 
plaza.  Many of them can't speak English so  any reading material has to be in 
Spanish.  You need  translators to communicate with them and so on.  What 
about  drivers licenses, insurance, identification, etc.  How do you  perform 
the day to day commerce we all take for granted with people  who don't have 
basic identication?  Who is paying for traffic  accidents which occur with 
people who don't have driver's licenses  or insurance?  Who is paying to 
educate people who work for  cash?  I hate break it to you dear readers, it's us.  

The media spin is the usual victim rhetoric and "these poor  hardworking 
people, let's give them a break".  We don't give  the Russian immigrants a 
break, we don't give the Iranian immigrants  a break, we don't give the Syrian 
immigrants a break, even if they  are educated and well off.  Yet we should 
give the Hispanic  people a break?  The way I look at it is that we are 
offering  these people a great opportunity to come to our country.  The  least 
they can do is respect our laws and country and go through the  process just 
like my father and grandparents did at Ellis Island  when they came from 
Poland.  There was no "open door" policy  back then and you better believe my 
folks worked hard to get into  this country and make a life for themselves.

Who wouldn't  want to come to America.  Just walk across the border and get 
 food stamps, welfare, political clout, etc. and leave behind a life  a 
poverty.  If anything is expected of you, just say you are  being discrimated 
against because "you look different".  Forget  about the Russian, Iranian, 
Syrian, etc. immigrants which have to  undergo whatever is required for them 
to be in this country.   

The final point I would like to make is that if the illegal  aliens 
respected our country and followed our immigration laws it  would not be necessary 
to "detain them" to ask for green  cards.  How on earth this has been spun 
up to "just because  they look different" is beyond me.

I have no animosity toward  Hispanic people.  If they want to come to the 
US, fine.  I  just want them to have to conform to the same immigration laws 
that  immigrants from other countries are required to  do.

Bruce

>-----Original  Message-----
>>From: Sue Collins <_wheadle at yahoo.com_ 
(http://us.mc555.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wheadle@yahoo.com) >
>>Sent:  Apr 27, 2010 8:24 AM
>>To: _TownTalk at riverdale-park.org_ 
(http://us.mc555.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=TownTalk@riverdale-park.org) 
>>Subject:  [RP TownTalk] We the People
>>
>>I found the posts  on our "new neighbors" in town very interesting and 
informative,  whether or not I agree with them.  I read a book written some  
years back and the writer was talking with a border patrol officer  who said 
of people crossing from Mexico to the US without proper  papers, "they 
aren't criminals, they're just breaking the  law."  Interesting way of putting 
it, right?  Whether or  not we agree with people coming here without proper 
documentation,  stop and think a minute - imagine yourself a poor worker from  
south of the border; you have NO prospects of improving your  life, nor 
will your childrens' lives be any  different.  Possibly you live in a country 
ruled by a  dictatorship.  Maybe you saw one or both of your parents taken  
out by government officials, kidnappers, whoever, and never saw them  again?  
I'm not saying you have to agree with what these people  are doing, but 
just try to put yourself in their place and say with  all honesty
>> that if you had any chance at all to  improve your life or your 
childrens' lives by heading into the  US that you wouldn't try it?  I know I would.  
Over the  years I've talked with people from many other countries and when 
you  talk to people who've fled the Pol Pot regime, who've fled Cuba, and  
so on, some of their stories would make you sick what they and their  
families endured.  
>>
>>Anyhow, there's  nothing new under the sun; some of my ancestors were 
Irish and  if you look at this countrys' history there were times when "no  
Irish need apply" signs were all over the place.  Gangs?   Yep, those were 
around, as well.  Each ethnic community in each  city apparently had gangs.  
And.... even farther back -  let's put ourselves in the place of the Indians 
who were here  when our people first jumped off that boat;  Can't you hear  
them now?  "Look at this, these people are coming here  uninvited, next thing 
you know, they'll be bringing their whole  families.  They don't want to 
adapt to OUR ways, they want to  bring in THEIR ways and language. " Does that 
sound  familiar.   
>>
>>As for some of the  laws being passed in other States, etc.; I work with 
people from  many, many other countries, and they're all here legally; it  
makes me sick to think that my co-workers could be stopped on the  street, 
detained, maybe even arrested, until they could prove  they're here legally 
just because they look "different."   
>>
>>NOTE: I'm talking about people  who are coming here to better their 
lives, which is what most of  these people are trying to do; needless to say, I'm 
in no way in  favor of people coming here for purposes of terrorism, 
setting up  gangs, etc.  
>>
>>Think of the richness of  diversity we have here in town, in our people, 
our environment, even  our architecture.  Goes without saying there will 
always be  problems; but even with the problems, I'll take the great variety we 
 have here over some cookie-cutter-everybody-looks and acts the same  
towns.  
>>
>>
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