[RP TownTalk] EXT : Proposed "Voter Expansion" legislation

Dwight Holmes dwightrholmes at gmail.com
Fri Mar 9 16:25:14 UTC 2018 

ALSO THIS:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_foreigners_to_vote_in_the_United_States#Places_where_non-citizens_can_currently_vote


Wikipedia article  on the history of non-citizens voting in the U.S.  Turns
out it used to be much more commonplace.  Interesting quote here from 1931
(the 20s were at least one peak of xenophobic and anti-immigrant beliefs): "
 In 1931, political scientist Leon Aylsworth noted: "*For the first time in
over a hundred years, a national election was held in 1928 in which no
alien in any state had the right to cast a vote for a candidate for any
office – national, state, or local*."[17]
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_foreigners_to_vote_in_the_United_States#cite_note-17>
"

>From that same article:

Municipalities in Maryland where non-citizens can currently vote in local
elections:

   - Barnesville, Maryland
   <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnesville,_Maryland> (since 1918)[58]
   <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_foreigners_to_vote_in_the_United_States#cite_note-58>
   - Chevy Chase Section Three, Maryland
   <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevy_Chase_Section_Three,_Maryland>[59]
   <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_foreigners_to_vote_in_the_United_States#cite_note-59>
   - Garrett Park, Maryland
   <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrett_Park,_Maryland> (since 1999)[60]
   <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_foreigners_to_vote_in_the_United_States#cite_note-60>
   - Glen Echo, Maryland <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glen_Echo,_Maryland>
   [61]
   <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_foreigners_to_vote_in_the_United_States#cite_note-washingtonpost.com-61>
   - Hyattsville, Maryland
   <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyattsville,_Maryland> (since December
   2016)[61]
   <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_foreigners_to_vote_in_the_United_States#cite_note-washingtonpost.com-61>
   - Martin's Additions, Maryland
   <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin%27s_Additions,_Maryland>[62]
   <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_foreigners_to_vote_in_the_United_States#cite_note-62>
   - Mount Rainier, Maryland
   <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Rainier,_Maryland> (since January
   2017)[63]
   <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_foreigners_to_vote_in_the_United_States#cite_note-63>
   - Somerset, Maryland <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somerset,_Maryland>
   [64]
   <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_foreigners_to_vote_in_the_United_States#cite_note-64>
   - Takoma Park, Maryland
   <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takoma_Park,_Maryland> (since 1993)[65]
   <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_foreigners_to_vote_in_the_United_States#cite_note-65>



I'd be curious to know if any of these municipalities have seen hostile
takeovers by marauding bands of invading noncitizen voters?


_____________________________________
"A budget is a moral document." --Jim Wallis

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 11:24 AM, Dwight Holmes <dwightrholmes at gmail.com>
wrote:

> There's a lot of interesting data out there, much of courtesy of Uncle Sam.
> This is an interactive chart (click on ethnic/foreign- and native-born
> groups on the right to change what appears on the chart)
> https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2013/ted_20130528.htm
>
> From this I learned that the labor force participation rate for people 16
> yrs and older (i.e, people who either are working or are seeking work) for
> Foreign-born Hispanics 69%
> Native-born Hispanics 60%
> Foreign-born Blacks 71%
> Native-born Blacks 60%
>
> Foreign-born people (25+ yrs) w/less than high school diploma 60%
> Native-born people (25+ yrs) w/less than high school diploma 37%
>
> My only point being, the idea that immigrants are somehow shiftless and
> lazy is simply bullpucky.
>
> _____________________________________
> "A budget is a moral document." --Jim Wallis
>
> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 10:50 AM, Aunt Emily <ourdollmom at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Dwight for bringing to people's attention the false
>> misconceptions about immigrants.  This was needed.
>>
>> In a message dated 3/9/2018 10:40:26 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>> dwightrholmes at gmail.com writes:
>>
>> I see I neglected to include the link to the unemployment rate news
>> release I mentioned. It is here: https://www.bls.gov/news
>> .release/pdf/forbrn.pdf
>>
>> _____________________________________
>> "A budget is a moral document." --Jim Wallis
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 10:14 AM, Dwight Holmes <dwightrholmes at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Actually, it's quite the opposite.  Benefits such as TANF, social
>>> security disability, etc. are not available to non-citizens. And they do
>>> pay taxes. The most recent estimate I could find for Maryland is that
>>> undocumented residents of Maryland paid over $332 million per year in state
>>> and local taxes in Maryland (https://itep.org/immigration/) They pay
>>> sales taxes, gasoline and other excise taxes, property taxes (either
>>> directly as property owners or indirectly as renters). And if they do work
>>> with a false social security number then they pay payroll taxes (social
>>> security and medicare) for benefits they can never receive, and may de
>>> facto pay income taxes through payroll withholding.
>>>
>>> Every study I've seen has found that immigrants commit fewer crimes and
>>> are as likely (if not more likely) to be employed than those of us who were
>>> born here.  A quick Google search found this news release from Bureau of
>>> Labor Statistics from about a year ago, reporting that the unemployment
>>> rate among foreign-born residents was 4.3% while at the time the rate for
>>> native-born residents was 5.0%.
>>>
>>> I have not weighed in on the issue of whether or not to extend the right
>>> to vote in local elections to our noncitizen residents, but I found myself
>>> unable to let such false assertions as these go without a response.
>>>
>>> Dwight Holmes
>>>
>>>
>>> _____________________________________
>>> "A budget is a moral document." --Jim Wallis
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 10:01 AM, McDougall, Sherene [US] (Law) <
>>> Sherene.McDougall at ngc.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bruce,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They don’t want to become citizens because that would mean getting a
>>>> job and having to pay taxes.   Why go through all that hassle to become a
>>>> citizen when they are receiving food, money, housing and education.  Things
>>>> that we taxpayers are paying for.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sherene
>>>>
>>>> *From:* towntalk-bounces at riverdale-park.org [mailto:
>>>> towntalk-bounces at riverdale-park.org] *On Behalf Of *Bruce Wernek
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, March 09, 2018 9:41 AM
>>>> *To:* towntalk at riverdale-park.org; townannounce at riverdale-park.org
>>>> *Subject:* EXT :[RP TownTalk] Proposed "Voter Expansion" legislation
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The proposed "Voter Expansion" legislation appears to patently
>>>> marginalize town residents and US citizens in general.  If I understand it
>>>> correctly, a non citizen can break the law, illegally enter our country,
>>>> and 6 weeks later be rewarded for doing so with the right vote our Town.
>>>> Essentially, there are no requirements for voting privileges other than
>>>> being 18 years of age or older and being a "resident" of Riverdale Park for
>>>> 30 days.  I don't think the bar could be much lower.  Given this proposed
>>>> legislation, one has to wonder, what benefit is there in being a long time
>>>> resident committed to the Town, a tax payer, and a US citizen?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I find it hard to believe this legislation wasn't patently rejected by
>>>> our Mayor and Council much less drawn up in the first place.  If non
>>>> citizens want the right to vote, they have to demonstrate their commitment
>>>> to our Town and country by becoming naturalized citizens.  My grandparents
>>>> and father did.  Why don't these people have to?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bruce
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bruce
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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