[RP TownTalk] Queensbury & Lafayette traffic

Tue Sep 17 14:06:44 UTC 2019

I don’t know what ‘s good for everyone on this matter but would really like
to see a redesign that simplifies the traffic pattern not trying to rework
the existing situation. I could see some of the suggestions without a
traffic light working in the near time while we’re working on a long term
solution.
I would definitely involve transportation experts(police, traffic
engineers) and creative thinkers (NDC & others) in the solution so we can
both increase access and safety in the area. Right now, it’s a mess that
doesn’t use its public space well at all. Perhaps, we could work it into a
town center redesign that also takes current work on the Calvert Memorial
Park into the overall plan. Vision (with lots of public input) drives the
work whether the whole is conceived together or as modular parts.

Just my 2 cents,

Jim Coleman
4911 Somerset

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> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 11:25:09 -0400
> From: Heather Cronk <heather.cronk at gmail.com>
> To: Sarah Wayland <sarah.wayland at gmail.com>
> Cc: "TownTalk at riverdale-park.org" <towntalk at riverdale-park.org>
> Subject: Re: [RP TownTalk] reducing default speed limit on town
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> I thought that Councilmember Lingua had suggested a traffic study at
> some point for the intersection of Queensbury & Lafayette (i.e.
> between the train tracks and Town Center Market) because it's so bad
> for pedestrians. Since this is an area of town that's developing
> quickly and that's intended to create a welcoming atmosphere that
> represents the town, I'd far rather have the town explore options to
> slow traffic and better serve pedestrians at that intersection than to
> have an increased police presence there...
>
> -Heather
>
> On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 10:27 AM Sarah Wayland <sarah.wayland at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I've actually been thinking for some time that re-instituting the
> Traffic Committee would be a good idea.
> >
> > And Adrian - as I understand it, enforcement is part of the issue.
> Apparently judges will not uphold a ticket unless the speed is clocked to
> be at least 10mph over the posted speed limit. So if we want the speed to
> be 30mph, we have to set the posted speed at 20mph to make the tickets
> enforceable.
> >
> > That said, I agree that having a police car monitoring speed on
> Lafayette during rush hour a couple of times per month would send a message
> that we are serious about the stop signs and posted speed limit. Even if
> the officers just wrote warnings...
> >
> > -Sarah
> >
> > *
> >
> > Sarah Wayland, Ph.D. | www.GuidingExceptionalParents.com
> > Supporting students with learning differences & their families
> >
> > Raising a child with behaviors of concern? Join other parents like you
> for my class starting Wed September 18th in Riverdale Park:
> https://www.guidingexceptionalparents.com/event/fall-2019-parent-child-journey-raising-your-challenging-child/
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 10:07 AM adrian limmen <adrianlimmen at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Or maybe some good old traffic enforcement more regularly.
> >>
> >> On Sun, Sep 15, 2019, 09:59 Charles Schoppet <schoppet at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On cut-through traffic, the intersection of Lafayette Ave and
> Queensbury Rd is getting harder to navigate through, since the opening of
> the Lafayette Ave bridge.
> >>>
> >>> I am unsure of a solution, since the intersection is so close to a
> grade level train crossing. ( However, I don't want to see the town divided
> by the closing of Queensbury at the crossing.)
> >>>
> >>> P.S. Maybe, it is time to bring back the traffic committee.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 9:28 PM Sheri Mattes Wake <smattes3 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi town, I?m not sure there is any posted speed limit sign on E Beale
> Cir and many people use it as a quick cut-through. Would love some
> speed-reducing measures. I briefly looked into speed humps but it seemed
> like a lengthy process. A speed limit sign or other speed-reducing
> suggestions would be welcome.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sep 14, 2019, at 7:08 PM, Sarah Wayland <sarah.wayland at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> In the September Town Crier, Mayor Thompson mentioned in his report
> that the council  is considering lowering the default speed limit on town
> streets to 20 mph.
> >>>>
> >>>> In:
> http://www.riverdaleparkmd.gov/September%202019%20Crier%20Proof.pdf
> >>>>
> >>>> He writes:
> >>>>
> >>>> Traffic Safety
> >>>>
> >>>> At the July legislative meeting the Town Council decided to defer
> action on a proposal to lower the default speed limit on town streets from
> 25 mph to 20 mph. I believe that the major reason this proposal is coming
> before us is not about what?s going on in town, but in the fact that judges
> are unwilling to convict on speeding offenses unless the driver was
> exceeding the speed limit by at least 10 mph ? which means that the
> enforceable speed limit on town streets, right now, is 35 mph. I have been
> paying attention to my own driving on the residential streets around town
> (excluding the state and county roads), and I seldom exceed 20 mph, and
> never exceed 30. I believe the council will take this decision slowly to
> allow for education and feedback from town residents, so please keep your
> eyes open for more information.
> >>>>
> >>>> If you have opinions about this (love it or hate it), or want to know
> more, you might want to let your councilperson (find contact information
> here:
> http://www.riverdaleparkmd.gov/government/mayor_and_council/index.php) to
> let them know how you feel and why.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Sarah
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> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 11:32:28 -0400
> From: adrian limmen <adrianlimmen at gmail.com>
> To: Heather Cronk <heather.cronk at gmail.com>
> Cc: "TownTalk at riverdale-park.org" <towntalk at riverdale-park.org>
> Subject: Re: [RP TownTalk] reducing default speed limit on town
>         streets to      20mph
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> Traffic will not slow down unless there is a police presence enforcing it.
> Ravenswood is a continuous problem even after my multiple attempts to draw
> attention to it.  It seems like it will take some kind of a catalyst before
> real action is taken.
>
> On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 11:25 AM Heather Cronk <heather.cronk at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I thought that Councilmember Lingua had suggested a traffic study at
> > some point for the intersection of Queensbury & Lafayette (i.e.
> > between the train tracks and Town Center Market) because it's so bad
> > for pedestrians. Since this is an area of town that's developing
> > quickly and that's intended to create a welcoming atmosphere that
> > represents the town, I'd far rather have the town explore options to
> > slow traffic and better serve pedestrians at that intersection than to
> > have an increased police presence there...
> >
> > -Heather
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 10:27 AM Sarah Wayland <sarah.wayland at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I've actually been thinking for some time that re-instituting the
> > Traffic Committee would be a good idea.
> > >
> > > And Adrian - as I understand it, enforcement is part of the issue.
> > Apparently judges will not uphold a ticket unless the speed is clocked to
> > be at least 10mph over the posted speed limit. So if we want the speed to
> > be 30mph, we have to set the posted speed at 20mph to make the tickets
> > enforceable.
> > >
> > > That said, I agree that having a police car monitoring speed on
> > Lafayette during rush hour a couple of times per month would send a
> message
> > that we are serious about the stop signs and posted speed limit. Even if
> > the officers just wrote warnings...
> > >
> > > -Sarah
> > >
> > > *
> > >
> > > Sarah Wayland, Ph.D. | www.GuidingExceptionalParents.com
> > > Supporting students with learning differences & their families
> > >
> > > Raising a child with behaviors of concern? Join other parents like you
> > for my class starting Wed September 18th in Riverdale Park:
> >
> https://www.guidingexceptionalparents.com/event/fall-2019-parent-child-journey-raising-your-challenging-child/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 10:07 AM adrian limmen <adrianlimmen at gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Or maybe some good old traffic enforcement more regularly.
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Sep 15, 2019, 09:59 Charles Schoppet <schoppet at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> On cut-through traffic, the intersection of Lafayette Ave and
> > Queensbury Rd is getting harder to navigate through, since the opening of
> > the Lafayette Ave bridge.
> > >>>
> > >>> I am unsure of a solution, since the intersection is so close to a
> > grade level train crossing. ( However, I don't want to see the town
> divided
> > by the closing of Queensbury at the crossing.)
> > >>>
> > >>> P.S. Maybe, it is time to bring back the traffic committee.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 9:28 PM Sheri Mattes Wake <
> smattes3 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Hi town, I?m not sure there is any posted speed limit sign on E
> Beale
> > Cir and many people use it as a quick cut-through. Would love some
> > speed-reducing measures. I briefly looked into speed humps but it seemed
> > like a lengthy process. A speed limit sign or other speed-reducing
> > suggestions would be welcome.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Sep 14, 2019, at 7:08 PM, Sarah Wayland <sarah.wayland at gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> In the September Town Crier, Mayor Thompson mentioned in his report
> > that the council  is considering lowering the default speed limit on town
> > streets to 20 mph.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> In:
> > http://www.riverdaleparkmd.gov/September%202019%20Crier%20Proof.pdf
> > >>>>
> > >>>> He writes:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Traffic Safety
> > >>>>
> > >>>> At the July legislative meeting the Town Council decided to defer
> > action on a proposal to lower the default speed limit on town streets
> from
> > 25 mph to 20 mph. I believe that the major reason this proposal is coming
> > before us is not about what?s going on in town, but in the fact that
> judges
> > are unwilling to convict on speeding offenses unless the driver was
> > exceeding the speed limit by at least 10 mph ? which means that the
> > enforceable speed limit on town streets, right now, is 35 mph. I have
> been
> > paying attention to my own driving on the residential streets around town
> > (excluding the state and county roads), and I seldom exceed 20 mph, and
> > never exceed 30. I believe the council will take this decision slowly to
> > allow for education and feedback from town residents, so please keep your
> > eyes open for more information.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> If you have opinions about this (love it or hate it), or want to
> know
> > more, you might want to let your councilperson (find contact information
> > here:
> > http://www.riverdaleparkmd.gov/government/mayor_and_council/index.php)
> to
> > let them know how you feel and why.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -Sarah
> > >>>>
> > >>>> _______________________________________________
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> Eastbound on Longfellow in the 4800 block, we now have a digital speed
> limit sign that flashes the speed to an oncoming vehicle. I?ve noticed
> fewer speeders. I think they must believe it is a camera (it isn?t). In
> fact, I can tell a difference between east and west bound speeds. Perhaps
> this can be part of a wider solution in the town. I believe it gives data
> on traffic to the police for analysis. Swing by to see it.
>
> Liz Bolin
> 301.674.5484 (C)
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 16, 2019, at 11:32 AM, adrian limmen <adrianlimmen at gmail.com
> <mailto:adrianlimmen at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Traffic will not slow down unless there is a police presence enforcing
> it.  Ravenswood is a continuous problem even after my multiple attempts to
> draw attention to it.  It seems like it will take some kind of a catalyst
> before real action is taken.
>
> On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 11:25 AM Heather Cronk <heather.cronk at gmail.com
> <mailto:heather.cronk at gmail.com>> wrote:
> I thought that Councilmember Lingua had suggested a traffic study at
> some point for the intersection of Queensbury & Lafayette (i.e.
> between the train tracks and Town Center Market) because it's so bad
> for pedestrians. Since this is an area of town that's developing
> quickly and that's intended to create a welcoming atmosphere that
> represents the town, I'd far rather have the town explore options to
> slow traffic and better serve pedestrians at that intersection than to
> have an increased police presence there...
>
> -Heather
>
> On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 10:27 AM Sarah Wayland <sarah.wayland at gmail.com
> <mailto:sarah.wayland at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > I've actually been thinking for some time that re-instituting the
> Traffic Committee would be a good idea.
> >
> > And Adrian - as I understand it, enforcement is part of the issue.
> Apparently judges will not uphold a ticket unless the speed is clocked to
> be at least 10mph over the posted speed limit. So if we want the speed to
> be 30mph, we have to set the posted speed at 20mph to make the tickets
> enforceable.
> >
> > That said, I agree that having a police car monitoring speed on
> Lafayette during rush hour a couple of times per month would send a message
> that we are serious about the stop signs and posted speed limit. Even if
> the officers just wrote warnings...
> >
> > -Sarah
> >
> > *
> >
> > Sarah Wayland, Ph.D. | www.GuidingExceptionalParents.com<
> http://www.GuidingExceptionalParents.com>
> > Supporting students with learning differences & their families
> >
> > Raising a child with behaviors of concern? Join other parents like you
> for my class starting Wed September 18th in Riverdale Park:
> https://www.guidingexceptionalparents.com/event/fall-2019-parent-child-journey-raising-your-challenging-child/
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 10:07 AM adrian limmen <adrianlimmen at gmail.com
> <mailto:adrianlimmen at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Or maybe some good old traffic enforcement more regularly.
> >>
> >> On Sun, Sep 15, 2019, 09:59 Charles Schoppet <schoppet at gmail.com
> <mailto:schoppet at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On cut-through traffic, the intersection of Lafayette Ave and
> Queensbury Rd is getting harder to navigate through, since the opening of
> the Lafayette Ave bridge.
> >>>
> >>> I am unsure of a solution, since the intersection is so close to a
> grade level train crossing. ( However, I don't want to see the town divided
> by the closing of Queensbury at the crossing.)
> >>>
> >>> P.S. Maybe, it is time to bring back the traffic committee.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 9:28 PM Sheri Mattes Wake <smattes3 at gmail.com
> <mailto:smattes3 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi town, I?m not sure there is any posted speed limit sign on E Beale
> Cir and many people use it as a quick cut-through. Would love some
> speed-reducing measures. I briefly looked into speed humps but it seemed
> like a lengthy process. A speed limit sign or other speed-reducing
> suggestions would be welcome.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sep 14, 2019, at 7:08 PM, Sarah Wayland <sarah.wayland at gmail.com
> <mailto:sarah.wayland at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> In the September Town Crier, Mayor Thompson mentioned in his report
> that the council  is considering lowering the default speed limit on town
> streets to 20 mph.
> >>>>
> >>>> In:
> http://www.riverdaleparkmd.gov/September%202019%20Crier%20Proof.pdf
> >>>>
> >>>> He writes:
> >>>>
> >>>> Traffic Safety
> >>>>
> >>>> At the July legislative meeting the Town Council decided to defer
> action on a proposal to lower the default speed limit on town streets from
> 25 mph to 20 mph. I believe that the major reason this proposal is coming
> before us is not about what?s going on in town, but in the fact that judges
> are unwilling to convict on speeding offenses unless the driver was
> exceeding the speed limit by at least 10 mph ? which means that the
> enforceable speed limit on town streets, right now, is 35 mph. I have been
> paying attention to my own driving on the residential streets around town
> (excluding the state and county roads), and I seldom exceed 20 mph, and
> never exceed 30. I believe the council will take this decision slowly to
> allow for education and feedback from town residents, so please keep your
> eyes open for more information.
> >>>>
> >>>> If you have opinions about this (love it or hate it), or want to know
> more, you might want to let your councilperson (find contact information
> here:
> http://www.riverdaleparkmd.gov/government/mayor_and_council/index.php) to
> let them know how you feel and why.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Sarah
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
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> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 11:57:34 -0400
> From: Dwight Holmes <dwightrholmes at gmail.com>
> To: Heather Cronk <heather.cronk at gmail.com>
> Cc: "TownTalk at riverdale-park.org" <towntalk at riverdale-park.org>
> Subject: Re: [RP TownTalk] reducing default speed limit on town
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> On the subject of the Queensbury-Natoli Pl-Lafayette-RRX-Rhode
> Island-Maryland Ave intersection... I hate to even bring it up, because the
> intersection it reminds me of is one of my least favorite ones in the area.
> But it does seem somewhat analogous. And that is the intersection where the
> Silver Spring-Takoma Park Co-op sits in Takoma Park. I hate it cuz it's one
> of the slowest traffic light cycles that I know of, certainly in relation
> to the number of vehicles.  It doesn't carry *that* much traffic, but it's
> a complex intersection.  My point is, however, that with a complicated
> traffic light scheme, they do manage the traffic there in a way that seems
> to promote safety.  And that implementing safer traff
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/lementing+safer+traff?entry=gmail&source=g>ic
> flow at our
> intersection is something that is sorely needed, for vehicles and
> pedestrian/cyclists alike.
>
> By my count, our intersection has 6 spokes (Queensbury, Lafayette, Rhode
> Island, Queensbury, Maryland/parking lot, Lafayette) - and 7 if you count
> Natoli Place too.  Plus the railroad crossing.  There are currently 4
> pedestrian crossings painted ( 1) crosses Lafayette btw CSX lot & Mabel
> Munch Park 2) crosses Lafayette btw Town Center Market and the tracks 3)
> crosses Queensbury for pedestrian and cyclists at the Maryland
> Avenue/parking lot entrance and 4) crosses Queensbury btw Riviera Tapas and
> Banana Blossom).  Notably there are *no* zebra stripes crossing Queensbury
> on the east side of the tracks!  which leaves everyone free to dance across
> the Queensbury/Lafayette intersection at their peril.
>
> The Takoma Park intersection has 5 spokes (Ethan Allan (410), Carroll Ave,
> Grant Ave, Carroll Ave (410), and Sycamore Ave), and no railroad tracks.
> It has 5 painted zebra stripe crossings, enabling all pedestrians to get
> where they're going without venturing into no-man's land.
>
> A traffic light scheme would, hopefully, give the cars headed north on
> Lafayette by Town Center Market who are trying to turn west on Queensbury,
> and cars exiting Maryland Ave/Town Center parking lot and trying to turn
> east on Queensbury a fair chance, which they currently do not get,
> especially when the intersection is clearing after a train has passed thru
> and the gates go up.  It amazes me there aren't frequent accidents there.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 11:25 AM Heather Cronk <heather.cronk at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I thought that Councilmember Lingua had suggested a traffic study at
> > some point for the intersection of Queensbury & Lafayette (i.e.
> > between the train tracks and Town Center Market) because it's so bad
> > for pedestrians. Since this is an area of town that's developing
> > quickly and that's intended to create a welcoming atmosphere that
> > represents the town, I'd far rather have the town explore options to
> > slow traffic and better serve pedestrians at that intersection than to
> > have an increased police presence there...
> >
> > -Heather
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 10:27 AM Sarah Wayland <sarah.wayland at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I've actually been thinking for some time that re-instituting the
> > Traffic Committee would be a good idea.
> > >
> > > And Adrian - as I understand it, enforcement is part of the issue.
> > Apparently judges will not uphold a ticket unless the speed is clocked to
> > be at least 10mph over the posted speed limit. So if we want the speed to
> > be 30mph, we have to set the posted speed at 20mph to make the tickets
> > enforceable.
> > >
> > > That said, I agree that having a police car monitoring speed on
> > Lafayette during rush hour a couple of times per month would send a
> message
> > that we are serious about the stop signs and posted speed limit. Even if
> > the officers just wrote warnings...
> > >
> > > -Sarah
> > >
> > > *
> > >
> > > Sarah Wayland, Ph.D. | www.GuidingExceptionalParents.com
> > > Supporting students with learning differences & their families
> > >
> > > Raising a child with behaviors of concern? Join other parents like you
> > for my class starting Wed September 18th in Riverdale Park:
> >
> https://www.guidingexceptionalparents.com/event/fall-2019-parent-child-journey-raising-your-challenging-child/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 10:07 AM adrian limmen <adrianlimmen at gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Or maybe some good old traffic enforcement more regularly.
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Sep 15, 2019, 09:59 Charles Schoppet <schoppet at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> On cut-through traffic, the intersection of Lafayette Ave and
> > Queensbury Rd is getting harder to navigate through, since the opening of
> > the Lafayette Ave bridge.
> > >>>
> > >>> I am unsure of a solution, since the intersection is so close to a
> > grade level train crossing. ( However, I don't want to see the town
> divided
> > by the closing of Queensbury at the crossing.)
> > >>>
> > >>> P.S. Maybe, it is time to bring back the traffic committee.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 9:28 PM Sheri Mattes Wake <
> smattes3 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Hi town, I?m not sure there is any posted speed limit sign on E
> Beale
> > Cir and many people use it as a quick cut-through. Would love some
> > speed-reducing measures. I briefly looked into speed humps but it seemed
> > like a lengthy process. A speed limit sign or other speed-reducing
> > suggestions would be welcome.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Sep 14, 2019, at 7:08 PM, Sarah Wayland <sarah.wayland at gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> In the September Town Crier, Mayor Thompson mentioned in his report
> > that the council  is considering lowering the default speed limit on town
> > streets to 20 mph.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> In:
> > http://www.riverdaleparkmd.gov/September%202019%20Crier%20Proof.pdf
> > >>>>
> > >>>> He writes:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Traffic Safety
> > >>>>
> > >>>> At the July legislative meeting the Town Council decided to defer
> > action on a proposal to lower the default speed limit on town streets
> from
> > 25 mph to 20 mph. I believe that the major reason this proposal is coming
> > before us is not about what?s going on in town, but in the fact that
> judges
> > are unwilling to convict on speeding offenses unless the driver was
> > exceeding the speed limit by at least 10 mph ? which means that the
> > enforceable speed limit on town streets, right now, is 35 mph. I have
> been
> > paying attention to my own driving on the residential streets around town
> > (excluding the state and county roads), and I seldom exceed 20 mph, and
> > never exceed 30. I believe the council will take this decision slowly to
> > allow for education and feedback from town residents, so please keep your
> > eyes open for more information.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> If you have opinions about this (love it or hate it), or want to
> know
> > more, you might want to let your councilperson (find contact information
> > here:
> > http://www.riverdaleparkmd.gov/government/mayor_and_council/index.php)
> to
> > let them know how you feel and why.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -Sarah
> > >>>>
> > >>>> _______________________________________________
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> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 16:52:31 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Audrey Bragg <abragg7393 at aol.com>
> To: heather.cronk at gmail.com, sarah.wayland at gmail.com
> Cc: towntalk at riverdale-park.org
> Subject: Re: [RP TownTalk] reducing default speed limit on town
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> I think councilman Lingua did have the crosswalks installed at queensbury
> and Lafayette.? That was some time ago and a good job he did
>
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> On Monday, September 16, 2019 Heather Cronk <heather.cronk at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> I thought that Councilmember Lingua had suggested a traffic study at
> some point for the intersection of Queensbury & Lafayette (i.e.
> between the train tracks and Town Center Market) because it's so bad
> for pedestrians. Since this is an area of town that's developing
> quickly and that's intended to create a welcoming atmosphere that
> represents the town, I'd far rather have the town explore options to
> slow traffic and better serve pedestrians at that intersection than to
> have an increased police presence there...
>
> -Heather
>
> On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 10:27 AM Sarah Wayland <sarah.wayland at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I've actually been thinking for some time that re-instituting the
> Traffic Committee would be a good idea.
> >
> > And Adrian - as I understand it, enforcement is part of the issue.
> Apparently judges will not uphold a ticket unless the speed is clocked to
> be at least 10mph over the posted speed limit. So if we want the speed to
> be 30mph, we have to set the posted speed at 20mph to make the tickets
> enforceable.
> >
> > That said, I agree that having a police car monitoring speed on
> Lafayette during rush hour a couple of times per month would send a message
> that we are serious about the stop signs and posted speed limit. Even if
> the officers just wrote warnings...
> >
> > -Sarah
> >
> > *
> >
> > Sarah Wayland, Ph.D. | www.GuidingExceptionalParents.com
> > Supporting students with learning differences & their families
> >
> > Raising a child with behaviors of concern? Join other parents like you
> for my class starting Wed September 18th in Riverdale Park:
> https://www.guidingexceptionalparents.com/event/fall-2019-parent-child-journey-raising-your-challenging-child/
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 10:07 AM adrian limmen <adrianlimmen at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Or maybe some good old traffic enforcement more regularly.
> >>
> >> On Sun, Sep 15, 2019, 09:59 Charles Schoppet <schoppet at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On cut-through traffic, the intersection of Lafayette Ave and
> Queensbury Rd is getting harder to navigate through, since the opening of
> the Lafayette Ave bridge.
> >>>
> >>> I am unsure of a solution, since the intersection is so close to a
> grade level train crossing. ( However, I don't want to see the town divided
> by the closing of Queensbury at the crossing.)
> >>>
> >>> P.S. Maybe, it is time to bring back the traffic committee.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 9:28 PM Sheri Mattes Wake <smattes3 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi town, I?m not sure there is any posted speed limit sign on E Beale
> Cir and many people use it as a quick cut-through. Would love some
> speed-reducing measures. I briefly looked into speed humps but it seemed
> like a lengthy process. A speed limit sign or other speed-reducing
> suggestions would be welcome.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sep 14, 2019, at 7:08 PM, Sarah Wayland <sarah.wayland at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> In the September Town Crier, Mayor Thompson mentioned in his report
> that the council? is considering lowering the default speed limit on town
> streets to 20 mph.
> >>>>
> >>>> In:
> http://www.riverdaleparkmd.gov/September%202019%20Crier%20Proof.pdf
> >>>>
> >>>> He writes:
> >>>>
> >>>> Traffic Safety
> >>>>
> >>>> At the July legislative meeting the Town Council decided to defer
> action on a proposal to lower the default speed limit on town streets from
> 25 mph to 20 mph. I believe that the major reason this proposal is coming
> before us is not about what?s going on in town, but in the fact that judges
> are unwilling to convict on speeding offenses unless the driver was
> exceeding the speed limit by at least 10 mph ? which means that the
> enforceable speed limit on town streets, right now, is 35 mph. I have been
> paying attention to my own driving on the residential streets around town
> (excluding the state and county roads), and I seldom exceed 20 mph, and
> never exceed 30. I believe the council will take this decision slowly to
> allow for education and feedback from town residents, so please keep your
> eyes open for more information.
> >>>>
> >>>> If you have opinions about this (love it or hate it), or want to know
> more, you might want to let your councilperson (find contact information
> here:
> http://www.riverdaleparkmd.gov/government/mayor_and_council/index.php) to
> let them know how you feel and why.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Sarah
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> TownTalk mailing list
> >>>> To post to the list, send mail to TownTalk at riverdale-park.org
> >>>> TownTalk-request at riverdale-park.org is for automated subscription
> processing only
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> http://www.riverdaleparkmd.gov
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